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Old 01-28-2023, 10:06 PM
 
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Yellow people,brown people,black people,red people now look at China and Saudi Arabia and realise if they just hold on to their resources,they can make things with them and sell them globally.
They are getting tired of one country telling them what to do,how to live their life.
They both do their share of "influencing" other countries...
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Old 02-01-2023, 11:29 AM
 
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NATO will eventually fall apart. It will take some years, though.

Russia will utterly fail and become impoverished as Putin reverses 50 years of economic progress in only one year. In the end Russia will no longer be a threat to anyone.
Turkey has said it will oppose Sweden's membership because Sweden allows burning of the Koran. With Russia out of the picture and The US having fewer interests in Europe, NATO will dissolve - or at least become irrelevant and non functioning. Like The Warsaw Pact.
US may be the first one out. It just depends on who the Pres is and what he thinks.
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Old 02-01-2023, 11:44 AM
 
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NATO will eventually fall apart. It will take some years, though.

Russia will utterly fail and become impoverished as Putin reverses 50 years of economic progress in only one year. In the end Russia will no longer be a threat to anyone.
Turkey has said it will oppose Sweden's membership because Sweden allows burning of the Koran. With Russia out of the picture and The US having fewer interests in Europe, NATO will dissolve - or at least become irrelevant and non functioning. Like The Warsaw Pact.
US may be the first one out. It just depends on who the Pres is and what he thinks.
That's the key thing who the President is and what is going on domestically in the U.S. Over the last decade there has definitely been a public shift in the U.S regarding it's geopolitics moving in favour of having a U.S less inclined to be involved in overseas ventures. If that continues than you could see a more introspective America. This is a paradigm shift from before as the U.S liked to have its fingers pretty much everywhere in the world.
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Old 02-01-2023, 01:16 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Why is it better to have less allies than more? Defense is based on strength. And with global security concerns having friends around the world who know their regional military threats that may impact our own security protects us all.
That's the best the US could muster. The US has behaved very badly with Honduras, so no love there. Nicaragua? Haha, very funny. Colombia, but not Ecuador? Long story.... Guatemala? Oops. Chile? Ditto.

And so it goes. Indonesia should be on there, though.
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Old 02-01-2023, 01:46 PM
 
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That's the key thing who the President is and what is going on domestically in the U.S. Over the last decade there has definitely been a public shift in the U.S regarding it's geopolitics moving in favour of having a U.S less inclined to be involved in overseas ventures. If that continues than you could see a more introspective America. This is a paradigm shift from before as the U.S liked to have its fingers pretty much everywhere in the world.
What shift? The U.S. public has always favored less involvement in overseas ventures. Unfortunately, the powers that be are set on maintaining U.S. hegemony. Thus far the military industrial complex is undefeated. So long as the public can easily be manipulated by means of fear, anger, or misplaced morality the U.S. interventionist policies aren't going anywhere. How else do you explain rhetoric about how Russia's military is an incompetent paper tiger while also the single greatest threat to world. How can both be true? In the same breath China is also the single greatest threat to the free world. They will never stop blowing threats out of proportion or instigating conflicts for profit. Even defeats such as Afghanistan doesn’t stop them. So long as the public remains gullible which isn’t difficult since most people refuse or are too lazy to critically analyze foreign policy decisions, interventionist policies will continue. Iran and Taiwan are being geared up for the next round after the conclusion of the Russian-Ukraine war. A change in president makes little difference, since they all run on an antiwar platform only to shift once they get into office. Doesn’t matter the party.
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Old 02-01-2023, 02:26 PM
 
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What shift? The U.S. public has always favored less involvement in overseas ventures. Unfortunately, the powers that be are set on maintaining U.S. hegemony. Thus far the military industrial complex is undefeated. So long as the public can easily be manipulated by means of fear, anger, or misplaced morality the U.S. interventionist policies aren't going anywhere. How else do you explain rhetoric about how Russia's military is an incompetent paper tiger while also the single greatest threat to world. How can both be true? In the same breath China is also the single greatest threat to the free world. They will never stop blowing threats out of proportion or instigating conflicts for profit. Even defeats such as Afghanistan doesn’t stop them. So long as the public remains gullible which isn’t difficult since most people refuse or are too lazy to critically analyze foreign policy decisions, interventionist policies will continue. Iran and Taiwan are being geared up for the next round after the conclusion of the Russian-Ukraine war. A change in president makes little difference, since they all run on an antiwar platform only to shift once they get into office. Doesn’t matter the party.
Well i'm looking to the election of Trump. I think he marketed his campaign as a break from the more hawkish Presidents before him regardless of party. Now, obviously there were other reasons why he was elected not linked to this but still - he was elected. As for whether the American public put enough pressure on Politicians of the past who supported this hegemony is another matter. I'll give you that it isn't that simple and powers of manipulation occured, but at the end of the day, public support or not the U.S has been intimately involved in global affairs for quite sometime now and has been the dominant force in the world. Hard to give up such power and influence among the movers and shakers. This influence is as much economic as it is military/geopolitical power.

You may want to peruse the P&C section of this very forum. There was recently a thread created about 'liberating' Canada as it becomes 'authoritarian/communist' so apparently there are Americans who still love the hegemony lol..

https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...ist-state.html

Regarding Russia - they are a conventional war paper tiger. Nuclear however is a pretty convincing - not! They have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and I doubt we really want to push them hard enough to find out whether than arsenal is a paper tiger or not. I hope so and if they were to use it, that those weapons would fail but nobody would want to find out and take that risk. Put this way, if not for Russia's nuclear arsenal Nato would have intervened directly in Ukraine by now and pretty much would have wiped the floor of Russia.

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Old 02-01-2023, 05:11 PM
 
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Well i'm looking to the election of Trump. I think he marketed his campaign as a break from the more hawkish Presidents before him regardless of party. Now, obviously there were other reasons why he was elected not linked to this but still - he was elected. As for whether the American public put enough pressure on Politicians of the past who supported this hegemony is another matter. I'll give you that it isn't that simple and powers of manipulation occured, but at the end of the day, public support or not the U.S has been intimately involved in global affairs for quite sometime now and has been the dominant force in the world. Hard to give up such power and influence among the movers and shakers. This influence is as much economic as it is military/geopolitical power.

You may want to peruse the P&C section of this very forum. There was recently a thread created about 'liberating' Canada as it becomes 'authoritarian/communist' so apparently there are Americans who still love the hegemony lol..

https://www.city-data.com/forum/poli...ist-state.html

Regarding Russia - they are a conventional war paper tiger. Nuclear however is a pretty convincing - not! They have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world and I doubt we really want to push them hard enough to find out whether than arsenal is a paper tiger or not. I hope so and if they were to use it, that those weapons would fail but nobody would want to find out and take that risk. Put this way, if not for Russia's nuclear arsenal Nato would have intervened directly in Ukraine by now and pretty much would have wiped the floor of Russia.
Liberating Canada, now that's a new level of national narcissism. Trump was like the rest. He kept forces in Afghanistan. Sure, there were threats to close bases and withdraw the U.S. from NATO, but nothing ever materialized. All bluffs. Foreign policy powers have the pockets and minds of both parties. Doesn't matter who comes to the office. I would be careful with wiping the floor with rhetoric after the Afghanistan debacle. A military is formidable for not. The distinction between conventional and nuclear is meaningless, since any country with nukes whose sovereignty is threatened, will let them fly

In other news,

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...al-2023-02-01/

And people called the Russians paranoid for thinking the West was trying to encircle them for containment purposes.
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Old 02-01-2023, 09:38 PM
 
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Philippines is playing friendly to both sides, warming to the US militarily and to China economically, that’s why it is projected to have one of the highest GDP growth among major economies at 5% in 2023: https://www.city-data.com/forum/asia...-dominate.html


Philippines agrees to allow US wider access to military bases

Move comes amid concerns about China’s assertiveness in the disputed South China Sea and over self-ruled Taiwan.

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2...military-bases
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Old 02-02-2023, 11:15 PM
 
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NATO will eventually fall apart. It will take some years, though.

Russia will utterly fail and become impoverished as Putin reverses 50 years of economic progress in only one year. In the end Russia will no longer be a threat to anyone.
Turkey has said it will oppose Sweden's membership because Sweden allows burning of the Koran. With Russia out of the picture and The US having fewer interests in Europe, NATO will dissolve - or at least become irrelevant and non functioning. Like The Warsaw Pact.
US may be the first one out. It just depends on who the Pres is and what he thinks.
The European Union already has a formal defense and security policy, so NATO's replacement might already exist, although in its formative stages. Part of that is an "EU Battlegroup." So i guess it would be the opportunity for the US and Canada to reassess and "renegotiate" their security relationship with Europe.

Turkey is not currently a member of the EU.
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Old 02-03-2023, 07:07 AM
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That's the key thing who the President is and what is going on domestically in the U.S. Over the last decade there has definitely been a public shift in the U.S regarding it's geopolitics moving in favour of having a U.S less inclined to be involved in overseas ventures. If that continues than you could see a more introspective America. This is a paradigm shift from before as the U.S liked to have its fingers pretty much everywhere in the world.
Really.

US secures deal on Philippines bases to complete arc around China - BBC News (February 2023)
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