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View Poll Results: Would you rather visit an Islamic state or an Atheist state?
Islamic State(s) - i.e. Afghanistan, Brunei, Yemen, etc 3 10.34%
Atheist State(s) - i.e. China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc 26 89.66%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-23-2023, 12:45 AM
 
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Islamic states, or countries with a form of government based on Islamic law (sharia) include:
  • Brunei
  • Iran
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Yemen
  • Mauritania
  • Pakistan
  • Afghanistan

Countries that incorporate hard atheism or non-theism include:
  • China
  • North Korea
  • Vietnam
  • Cambodia
  • Cuba

I left out "Christian states" as they include very moderate, relatively safe western nations like Greece, Georgia, Malta, Denmark, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, among a few others. So the Islamic and atheist states wouldn't stand a chance.
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Old 09-23-2023, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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I'll take the atheist states for $200, Alex.

As an ex-Muslim, I'm in no rush to travel to the Islamic world where my rejection of the faith is a death sentence.

Note, I'm not traveling to North Korea among the atheist countries either, but the others I'd have no problem going to.
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Old 09-23-2023, 05:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
Islamic states, or countries with a form of government based on Islamic law (sharia) include:
  • Brunei
  • Iran
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Yemen
  • Mauritania
  • Pakistan
  • Afghanistan

Countries that incorporate hard atheism or non-theism include:
  • China
  • North Korea
  • Vietnam
  • Cambodia
  • Cuba

I left out "Christian states" as they include very moderate, relatively safe western nations like Greece, Georgia, Malta, Denmark, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway, among a few others. So the Islamic and atheist states wouldn't stand a chance.
The most radical Christian states aren’t in Europe these days but in Africa.

As far as the question goes, I’d easily pick Atheist states since Atheism isn’t a religion and none of the countries you mentioned are the way they are because of Atheism.
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Old 09-24-2023, 11:01 PM
 
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There are countries with a majority of non-believers which are not communist countries like the Netherlands, Sweden and the Czech Republic.

These countries are also very moderate, safe western nations.
Sweden very safe? Oh boy...
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Old 09-24-2023, 11:28 PM
 
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Of these countries I'm only slightly interested in visiting Cambodia and maybe Vietnam, and the interest is like 2 out of 10.
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Old 09-25-2023, 07:50 AM
 
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I'll take the atheist states for $200, Alex.

As an ex-Muslim, I'm in no rush to travel to the Islamic world where my rejection of the faith is a death sentence.

Note, I'm not traveling to North Korea among the atheist countries either, but the others I'd have no problem going to.
There are countries that have an official religion (perfect example is the Dominican Republic which has the Catholic church as the official religion), but has freedom of belief/religion for the population. Now with the DR specifically, this was decided before the country was created as it's in the manifesto that states the official religion will be the Catholic one, but the people are free to practice whatever religion they want and the state is obligated to respect that. A rejection of any faith, even the Catholic one, is not a death sentence. In fact, officially the death penalty is abolished. You do have to put up with that with some of your tax money the government builds and maintain Catholic churches, that there are provinces named after archbishops of the Catholic church or named after Catholic religious entities, that most official holidays are in fact Catholic holidays, that the government builds monuments with an obvious religious theme (ex: the Plaza de la Bandera in SD has to be one of the largest Latin crosses in the world and that is entirely built and maintained by the government with nothing to do with the church), that most government ministries have a saint and the saint's day is a holiday type for such institutions, that the crucifix is on the min desk of the Constitutional Tribunal, etc).

I don't know what is the case with other countries with an official religion, if they were created with one or if one was choosen as the official well after they were created, their treatments towards freedom of belief, etc.

Don't think the world is made up of only atheist and Islamic countries. The point is that you can go to countries that have governments with an official religion and nothing will happen to you because of that or the government will give you a different treatment because of that.
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Old 09-25-2023, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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Hard to say. At least in the Islamic countries it might be easier for one to practice their faith such as Christianity compared to an Atheist nation where the totalitarian state has more of a grip on how people are able to think.
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Old 09-25-2023, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Perth, Australia
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There are countries with a majority of non-believers which are not communist countries like the Netherlands, Sweden and the Czech Republic.

These countries are also very moderate, safe western nations.
Sweden is still a Christian country with over 60% proclaiming in being so in the 2021 census
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Old 09-27-2023, 07:57 PM
 
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First - Cambodia is not an atheist country. It is officially Buddhist, and Buddhism is practiced by over 95% of the population (per wikipedia).

Anyway, of the countries listed, the ones I am most interested in visiting would be Iran (Islamic) and Cuba ('atheistic'). The ones I would be least interested in would be Brunei (Islamic) and North Korea ('atheist'). That said, if I was offered a free trip to any of these, I would jump at the chance. Of the ones listed, the only one I have been to is Vietnam, which I loved. In other words, I would look at each country individually to see if I was interested in visiting, not just lump all Islamic countries of 'atheist' countries together.

If instead of asking about which you would rather visit, the question was would you rather LIVE in an Islamic State or an Atheist State, it would still be on a case-by-case basis (I would probably rather live in UAE than North Korea, and rather live in China than Afghanistan) and it would still involve other factors ahead of the official religion, but I would be a lot more reluctant to go than if I was just visiting.
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Old 09-27-2023, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Brisbane
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Having been to serveral majority islamic countries already, Iran and Saudi Arabia are two places I would love to Visit. Mostly for the History and the Food.

I have actually been to 4 of the 5 athiest counties listed, not saying they lack good food or hisotory, however I have already been to them.
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