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Old 04-14-2011, 01:56 AM
 
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I love how everyone is so caught up in "diversity". Code for white liberal guilt. I just want to be around people that aren't annoying. Who cares what country you come from, what religion you are etc...Just be nice to me and I'll be nice to you. How's that.
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Old 04-14-2011, 03:22 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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I love how everyone is so caught up in "diversity". Code for white liberal guilt. I just want to be around people that aren't annoying. Who cares what country you come from, what religion you are etc...Just be nice to me and I'll be nice to you. How's that.
Yeah diversity doesn't necessarily make a place better, although I do appreciate the different cultural experiences/food; to me there isn't really a benefit to being homogenous if everyone gets along. Nothing says that whites and blacks can't get along, of course, unless you've been conditioned your whole life...

I'd say NYC, London, Toronto and Sydney are the four most diverse cities, representing each country. It's no surprise because the Anglosphere countries are immigrant nations. Go to any big Australian cities and half the people there are 'non-whites.'
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Old 04-14-2011, 06:03 AM
 
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Hi Hadrett 32,

you are right, Berlins Turkish/Kurdish community is Germany's biggest in total figures. Its got around 120,000 members with Turkish passports, compared to around 40,000 in Munich. You however have to take into account that Berlin has almost 3,5 Million inhabitants, Munich only 1,2. With around 360,000 people holding foreign passports compared to Berlins 460,000, Munich is perceptibly more diverse, Frankfurt and Stuttgart as well - though the impression to Berlin visitors who have only seen the diverse areas, might differ. And the groups in the Western cities like Munich are pretty much the same as in Berlin - Turks, Italians, Greeks, people from former Yugoslavia.
Also the black community in Berlin is relatively small, taking into account its huge total population. If you only visit the Western innercity parts, Berlin looks more diverse than it is. There are whole districts especially in the former east - areas with several hundred thousands of inhabitants - where you find a small community of Vietnamese, but thats pretty much it. Due to the wall, migration history in both parts of the city differs a lot.
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Old 04-14-2011, 06:36 AM
 
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London is pretty damn diverse, the rates of foreign born is nearing NYC's in its immigrant heyday (1890s-1900s). At the mo it's around 40% estimate (50-60% in the centre, 30% in the outer areas) and rising fast. The amount of non-white (the majority of whom are native born) is about the same amount. About 55-60% of the population call themselves as White British, but that misses out on the fact the majority of London's immigrants are white and claim 'Britishness' within a generation. -However if you were to look at ancestry (which isn't measured in Europe) one third of the city has Irish roots (which would make it the largest Irish city), one half of White Londoners (overlapping) have French (which happens to be one of the city's largest minorities, and in terms of French born alone makes London the 4th largest French city), and another sizeable chunk have Jewish blood, not to mention the major German, Russian and Greek lineages too.

The city has over 200 major communities. The very largest are the Indians, Nigerians, French, Jamaican, Irish, Bangladeshi, Brazilian, Polish, Australian, South African, Chinese, and Spanish that number in the hundreds of thousands. Next are the Somali, Pakistani, Filipino, Ghanaian, Iraqi, Thai, Japanese, Colombian, Slovak, Kenyan, German, Greek, Cypriot, American, Canadian, Turkish, and Kurdish communities that are 1-200,000. Then there are a myriad of another 60 major communities, and over a hundred small communities of a few thousand. However the vast majority of first or second generation European migrants, and a lesser extent Middle Easterners class themselves as White British.


The thing with these numbers they are all estimates - the last census in 2001 was heavily undercounted and was painfully out of date (missing out on the three largest waves of migration the country's ever seen). Also with the census EU citizens, that form the largest wave, need not register. The new 2011 census (that politically, would like to hide how multicultural the capital has become) only asks one's opinion of which nation people identify with, rather than ancestry.

In short in terms of ethnicity London looks skewed, considering many of the largest minorities are White European, South American or Middle Eastern and 'blend' in. But that misses out on the enormous diversity and foreign born status of much of this White population. The other thing, there isn't a single section of the city that is ghettoised by a majority minority, due to house prices and the Victorian tradition of residential mixing of income groups the minorities are spread out evenly. They may congregate to shop on certain main streets (eg Chinatown, Brick Lane, Southall, Brixton etc), but it comes to a shock to many Londoners themselves that the residential majority in those areas are not from the ethnic group they cater to. The highest minority majority anywhere in London is Central Slough that is 65% South Asian.

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Old 04-14-2011, 06:42 AM
 
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Other cities that would take the crown though, in terms of foreign born are in the Arab States - Dubai is 82 Percent, the other cities such as Kuwait, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi are approaching that level, drawing labour from South and SE Asia, skilled workers from the West, and other Arabs from across the Middle East, plus a long history of Persian and a lesser extent African migrants.

Belgian and Dutch cities too are approaching the 60% or over mark in terms of foreign born and first generation, Amsterdam, the Hague, Rotterdam, Brussels that are full of people from their former colonies and EU states.

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Old 04-14-2011, 03:14 PM
 
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Hi Hadrett 32,

you are right, Berlins Turkish/Kurdish community is Germany's biggest in total figures. Its got around 120,000 members with Turkish passports, compared to around 40,000 in Munich. You however have to take into account that Berlin has almost 3,5 Million inhabitants, Munich only 1,2. With around 360,000 people holding foreign passports compared to Berlins 460,000, Munich is perceptibly more diverse, Frankfurt and Stuttgart as well - though the impression to Berlin visitors who have only seen the diverse areas, might differ. And the groups in the Western cities like Munich are pretty much the same as in Berlin - Turks, Italians, Greeks, people from former Yugoslavia.
Also the black community in Berlin is relatively small, taking into account its huge total population. If you only visit the Western innercity parts, Berlin looks more diverse than it is. There are whole districts especially in the former east - areas with several hundred thousands of inhabitants - where you find a small community of Vietnamese, but thats pretty much it. Due to the wall, migration history in both parts of the city differs a lot.
Yeah okay, I've only been to the Western areas of Berlin and "diverse" Eastern localities like Prenzlauer Berg, Pankow etc. However, the largest ethnic groups in Berlin aren't exactly the same as in Munich, for instance, Berlin's largest non-German ethnic groups by number of origin (including naturalised "foreigners" or those who have the German citizenship) are Turks/Kurds, Arabs, Russians, Poles, Vietnamese and several others.
Additionally, the Black population is quite high (particularly in the Western part) for German conditions. Especially Wedding (district in West-Berlin) has an estimated African population of almost 10%. All in all, i guess that immigrants in Berlin (and Hamburg ,too.) are more concentrated in specific areas than in Munich or Stuttgart. However, Berlin and Hamburg have a multicultural vibe with many different multicultural festivals (Carnival of Cultures) and multiethnic shops/restaurants, whereas Munich (or Stuttgart) are hugely "German" or "Caucasian" in 'their' face. Sometimes statistics vary a LOT from reality
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Old 04-14-2011, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Paramaribo, Suriname
Toronto, Canada
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Old 04-15-2011, 02:37 AM
 
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Paramaribo, Suriname
Toronto, Canada
Suriname is indeed one of the world's most ethnically/racially diverse countries.

Ethnic groups in Suriname:

34% Hindustani (ancestors emigrated from India)
31% Creole/Mulatto (mixed white and black)
12% Javanese (South East Asian, e.g. Indonesian, Malay etc.)
8% Blacks
8% Chinese
5% Whites (mostly Dutch, British and White American expats)
2% Amerindian (Native Americans; Indigenous people)
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Old 04-15-2011, 04:50 AM
 
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and in terms of French born alone makes London the 4th largest French city)
It is a big overstatment.
The fourth largest city of France has 1.2 million inhabitants while London hardly has more than 100,000 French born people.
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Old 04-15-2011, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Scotland
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the fourth largest city of france is toulouse and has a population of 400,000, the wider area has just under a million, but thats not the city, my city dundee has about 150,000 but if you add all the surrounding towns it would have a lot more, but you can't add surrounding towns to the population of a city, because they are towns and villages in their own right, so the population of the city of toulouse is 400,000
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