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Old 07-04-2014, 07:08 PM
 
Location: London, UK
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The most ethnically diverse cities are probably not in the "West" but in countries like India, Thailand, Indonesia, Nigeria, Congo, Ghana and some European countries like Britain, France and the Netherlands...

Nigeria isn't just "black people" because believe it or not "black" isn't an ethnic group, neither is "Latino" Nigerian ethnic groups include Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani, Edo and Nupe and many many more..

People are confused about actual cultural diversity and skin colour diversity. Like someone may say we have "Asians, latinos and blacks" but the blacks may be only African American, the Latinos only Mexican and Colombian and the Asians Vietnamese and Chinese.. And that's suddenly diverse, no!

Going further on diversity many of these supposedly diverse cities in the US are not diverse at all, maybe physically but not culturally. For example in Chicago you may have Asians, black people etc but are the cultural practices of these ethnic groups practised? Like their native languages, religions, festivals, holidays etc?

I'd say the most diverse countries in the "West" are London, Paris, Amsterdam, NYC, Toronto, Birmingham, Manchester, Melbourne and Los Angeles.
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Old 07-04-2014, 08:04 PM
 
Location: West of Louisiana, East of New Mexico
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The most ethnically diverse cities are probably not in the "West" but in countries like India, Thailand, Indonesia, Nigeria, Congo, Ghana and some European countries like Britain, France and the Netherlands...

Nigeria isn't just "black people" because believe it or not "black" isn't an ethnic group, neither is "Latino" Nigerian ethnic groups include Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani, Edo and Nupe and many many more.
I don't think my fellow westerners understand how diverse certain places are, especially in many locations around the African continent.

They can point out the differences between Germans and Polish, but can't see the unique characteristics of an Igbo or Yoruba.
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Old 07-07-2014, 03:05 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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The most ethnically diverse cities are probably not in the "West" but in countries like India, Thailand, Indonesia, Nigeria, Congo, Ghana and some European countries like Britain, France and the Netherlands...

Nigeria isn't just "black people" because believe it or not "black" isn't an ethnic group, neither is "Latino" Nigerian ethnic groups include Igbo, Yoruba, Hausa, Fulani, Edo and Nupe and many many more..

People are confused about actual cultural diversity and skin colour diversity. Like someone may say we have "Asians, latinos and blacks" but the blacks may be only African American, the Latinos only Mexican and Colombian and the Asians Vietnamese and Chinese.. And that's suddenly diverse, no!

Going further on diversity many of these supposedly diverse cities in the US are not diverse at all, maybe physically but not culturally. For example in Chicago you may have Asians, black people etc but are the cultural practices of these ethnic groups practised? Like their native languages, religions, festivals, holidays etc?

I'd say the most diverse countries in the "West" are London, Paris, Amsterdam, NYC, Toronto, Birmingham, Manchester, Melbourne and Los Angeles.
I get what youre saying and agree that people in the west don't have enough perception of diversity in Africa, but there's something to be said about a city having ethnicities from all around the globe who maintain their cultural norms over a place that has 25 ethnicities from within the same 500km radius.
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Old 07-07-2014, 03:55 AM
 
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Their are more than 200 nationalities and 200 spoken languages in Brisbane as well, no one would consider the city diverse however.
Yes Brisbane is diverse. No doubt about that. Yet the people that usually portray Brisbane not diverse have never really been there, or if so have not been there in the last 15 or so years.
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Old 07-07-2014, 09:50 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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I get what youre saying and agree that people in the west don't have enough perception of diversity in Africa, but there's something to be said about a city having ethnicities from all around the globe who maintain their cultural norms over a place that has 25 ethnicities from within the same 500km radius.
Sure but in NYC the different ethnicities are slowing assimilating into the local culture whereas in India for example people are not assimilating into a local culture people may be speaking / going by their culture and not assimilating into a "general culture"
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Old 07-07-2014, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Piedmont, CA
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Diversity is the technical definition of different peoples coexisting together in the same geography. That really isnt special anymore.

Integration is the next step, where minorities actually begin to attain socioeconomic parity with the majority.

IMO.
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Old 07-07-2014, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Sure but in NYC the different ethnicities are slowing assimilating into the local culture whereas in India for example people are not assimilating into a local culture people may be speaking / going by their culture and not assimilating into a "general culture"
To an extent, people do assimilate, but usually after at least a generation or two after their relatives moved there. There are Indian and Pakistani folks in the NYC area who were born and raised there and live a fairly American life with some cultural/traditional holdovers, and then there are people who are immigrants or the children of immigrants who still dress, act, socialize, eat, worship, and generally live much like they did in India, just in a different country. It's not like as soon as you settle into a Western city, you become Americanized/Anglicized! This is why Western cities do indeed generally have a Chinatown, Koreatown, Little India, Little Ethiopia, etc.

Again, I understand the point you're making, but the diversity that you see in Western (and some Eastern) cities is on a scale unlike anything in Africa or India and when it comes to total global diversity, there's no comparison.

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Old 07-07-2014, 07:19 PM
 
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I was just answering your question, never said that Detroit was multicultural. LA definitely is, though, the Latino/Mexican culture is very evident, as well as various Asian cultures (Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Filipino, Vietnamese, Thai, Indian, Persian, Armenian) and the city is home to many nationalities speaking many languages. Angelenos also enjoy cuisines from all over the world. I think by world standards most people would agree that Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, New York, Washington DC are more diverse than Moscow by a long shot. Moscow is really not much more diverse than most world cities like Beijing or New Delhi.
Well Moscow has a population of 2 million Muslims and most of them are from the former central Asian Soviet Republics and the Caucasus. No American city has as large Muslim population as Moscow. The diversity of Moscow is far different than American cities. In American cities most of the people of non White or non English speaking backgrounds are Christian or culturally Christian. In addition Moscow is far from homogenous.

More than two million Muslims now live and work in Moscow. It has become one of the biggest cities for Muslims in Europe and its few houses of worship can no longer cope.BBC News - Moscow's Muslims find no room in the mosque
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Old 07-09-2014, 05:24 AM
 
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Well Moscow has a population of 2 million Muslims and most of them are from the former central Asian Soviet Republics and the Caucasus. No American city has as large Muslim population as Moscow. The diversity of Moscow is far different than American cities. In American cities most of the people of non White or non English speaking backgrounds are Christian or culturally Christian. In addition Moscow is far from homogenous.

More than two million Muslims now live and work in Moscow. It has become one of the biggest cities for Muslims in Europe and its few houses of worship can no longer cope.BBC News - Moscow's Muslims find no room in the mosque
Interesting, well considering many Central Asians are Muslim that's not too surprising.
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Old 07-21-2014, 01:59 PM
 
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London , not just in terms of diversity (over 300 languages spoken in some schools), but in the way everyone mixes. Race doesnt correspond to class - and one of the few cities where Africans, South Asians, East Asians, Arabs and immigrants in general earn more than Whites. They say you'll see more mixed relationships in a day in London than in a year in NYC - to the point several major minorities numbering in their millions are actually listed as endangered as the majority of them marry outside, notably the Caribbeans, East Asians, West and East Europeans. For a city that's 40% foreign born and where White natives are a minority, the highest residential ethnic majority is only 70%. Compare that with NYC where every neighbourhood is 80-95% of one race or another, delineated by street and also by economy, where the last census put it that the residential segregation was worse than the 60s - and getting worse. It's not that everyone hates each other - just that they get to choose the community they want to live in. In London they would easily do the same too, but don't get that luxury.

This doesn't mean either that London's some kind of racial nirvana (for example Black women are the second highest earning social strata just behind South Asian men, but Caribbean men are one of the lowest), or doesnt have it's painful histories (riots, progroms, xenophobic legislation, racist murders) - just that people are more upwardly mobile, and thus also far more acceptable to intermarry (eg marring an ethnic person doesnt equate to 'lowering one's status' etc). Also the historic mixing of the classes since Victorian times + property bubbles+ legislation ensuring 30-50% of all homes in every development - even luxury ones -be affordable, means working classes gain access and mix with the middle class markets, and thus within a generation cycles of poverty tend to be discarded. It also ensures people don't congregate residentially, and do not get the luxury to choose who their neighbours are, merely what the price on offer is. Likewise the numerous ethnic foci around the city cater to shoppers, not residents. It comes a shock to many Londoners themselves to find out Brixton (Jamaican), Tower Hamlets (Bengali), Wembley (Hindu Indian), Dalston (Kurdish), Hackney (Turkish/ African), Golders Green (Jewish), New Malden (Korean) etc are not majorities of the communities they cater to.

^However all this is being upended now as the affordable homes legislation is thrown out of the window with the new mayor, and the huge property bubble is seeing the middle classes sell out at a profit and move to the suburbs - White flight, Asian flight, Black flight replaced by the world's new international elite, and their children.

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