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I started a similar thread, but it’s been a while back and I want to try again. I know there are some similar threads, but most of you folks want a tropical paradise... which for me is not a paradise. I’m one of those cold, gloomy weather lovers.
So... okay, I have been researching this for quite awhile. I would like some input from those who have either done what I’m thinking about or live in the areas that I mention. I REALLY want to leave the US (for at least a number of years, perhaps for good). I am not wealthy and would have to work wherever I went. I want to go to a non-English speaking culture. I am Caucasian of Norwegian, Danish, and French ancestry. I am functional in Spanish and Norwegian (and close in French). I don’t care if I have to learn another language (I love languages). I don’t care how cold the climate is as long as summertime temps get no higher than, say, 75 degrees (24 C) on average (extreme cold is fine, as is coolish, moderate temps). I have degrees in English and Mathematics. I have been teaching remedial college math for about 15 years. I am also quite adept at computer programming and ‘linguistic/language learning’ related skills. Really, I don't care what line of work it is as long as it pays a livable wage and it's not slave-like labor.
After researching all of these places, it seems it’s way easier to get into the US than it is out! I’m just looking to live in one of these places; I don’t care about being wealthy, just a sustainable living in relatively safe, non-slum area. Is there any feasible way for a ‘yank’ to gain entry into any of these places and be welcomed by their immigration structures? It seems that most places go out of their way to discourage it, although I’ve corresponded with many immigrants in these countries from outside the US. It seems that it’s easier for them to gain entry than it is for a ‘yank.’ (other than as a tourist)
Are there any folks out there who have done this or natives who know about it, who can add insight??? Anyplace that’s relatively sane to be able to get into? Are any of the countries I’ve mentioned actually ‘welcoming’ (on an official level) or is it all just discouragement for people from the US?
Please, if you are going to write ‘it’s cold in Greenland,’ (or Norway, Iceland, Patagonia, Tierra del Fuego, etc.) don’t bother. I know it is. That’s the way I like it.
Work permits are issued on the basis of supply and demand. If you have a skill in short supply you have a fighting chance of getting one otherwise they just don't want to know. The UK has a shortage of high school maths/science teachers so maybe you could consider Scotland - that should be cold and gloomy enough for you.
Google All Chile Forum for best advice about Chile. Not hard at all getting into Chile, many live there for years on tourist visas. But getting a job with a liveable wage is tough. Teaching English is your best bet. However if you are willing to start a business and run it well, chances are you'll succeed there. According to some on the forum, Chile suffers from poor customer service. They have stated that if you find a needed service, or if you just compete well against established businesses you'll be fine. There seems to be a hunger for better service but a lack of will to provide it.
If you read my other posts today you know I'm pro-Argentina. But only as a renting retiree. I've read too many stories of getting burned there by those trying to buy a home or start a business. I can only guess at the reasons why but it seems to be the mindset of Argentinians that if the other party in a business transaction is happy then they must be getting screwed. Might explain why a country that is so blessed naturally has a struggling economy. My personal view is to get some kind of decent pension in the 1st world, then move overseas where it'll go alot farther. Not so easy to do these days.
consider Scotland - that should be cold and gloomy enough for you.
It very well may be. I know a bit of Gaelic (not that is all that useful these days!) and Lowland Scots fascinates me. Northeast Scotland. Hmmm...
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If you read my other posts today you know I'm pro-Argentina.
Yes, I have really looked into Argentina. If I had some sort of viable internet business or 'location independent' business/income, I'd be likely to get much more serious about it. Beautiful country.
As vantexan says, there are teaching English jobs. My kid began in that, and now lives/works in France as a translator (he's been there over a year).
His boss was specifically looking for someone who speaks American English.
I assume you've been to Dave's ESL Cafe?
It's not impossible, you just have to learn the ropes. Good luck.
It's difficult for people here to advise you as most of us live in the states. Why not begin by reading over the long-stay visa requirements on the consulate websites for the countries that interest you? An ESL certificate could help as someone here already mentioned.
Google All Chile Forum for best advice about Chile. Not hard at all getting into Chile, many live there for years on tourist visas.
Thanks for the reference. That forum has some great info!
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Greenland? You're just being amusing, right??
Greenland... actually, I would go there! Nuuk (population about 16000) in the west, Kulusuk in the east, Qaqortoq in the south. I don't know if I would stay there for good; but if I had means of supporting myself, you never know. I've always been fascinated by this place. I've never been there, but along the coasts, the climate is somewhat moderated and isn't as harsh as many Arctic regions. Of course, 'moderated climate' is a relative term, isn't it? I'm sure even a photo of Greenland might give a Florida sun lover hypothermia.
I wish you all the best in your search and hope you'll opt to go the legal route and obtain any necessary visas to remain beyond visitor status....a lot has changed in many countries regarding "visa runs". Expat forums are interesting and offer info on daily living and a lot of anecdotal instances, but current laws and hard facts are best obtained through consulates if you hope to avoid disappointment.
Well, my 2 cents: Quebec is wonderful--Montreal is very diverse and welcoming to foreigners, while Quebec City is beautiful and very French-language/culture-oriented and government bureaucracy-oriented. Taxes are higher, but people really enjoy the quality of life. I recommended my parents retire to Montreal, but it was too cold for them--not a problem for you.
I've visited only Mexico, but read a lot about Latin America from candid posts and talked with many friends from all parts South of our border. My conclusion: Argentina, starting in Buenos Aires, would be best for quality of life, even on a modest income (and if earning USD$ is possible, they'll go a long way there).
Build up some cash savings and visit/scout out before committing. Try to line up temporary work and housing and establish several local contacts before going, if possible.
Try to set up some e-lancing work, if possible. And teaching ESL with a certificate that means something where you're going helps.
Good luck!
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I'm sure even a photo of Greenland might give a Florida sun lover hypothermia.
