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Old 01-31-2017, 11:14 PM
 
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English is required in Chinese schools, but most people just learn to past the tests.
If you go to China, even college students cannot carry a conversation in English.
I do go to China, several times a year. If YOU ever happen to go to China you wI'll find many speak English. I still have trouble with cab drivers however.
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Old 01-31-2017, 11:21 PM
 
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Sure buddy, keep telling yourself that. I've used my Spanish skills working with energy companies, international manufacturing, international education and the legal field.

But, usually uneducated people think like this....
I imagine a room full of Latin executives thinking "I wish this gringo would just speak English instead of broken Spanish". I work for a European company by the way, our business is conducted in English. But thanks for the advice... buddy.
I did have some trouble in Brazil however, but that was portg.

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Old 02-01-2017, 01:35 AM
 
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I do go to China, several times a year. If YOU ever happen to go to China you wI'll find many speak English. I still have trouble with cab drivers however.
Oh I am from China and went to college there.
Again, typically college students in China cannot carry a conversation in English.
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Old 02-01-2017, 02:03 AM
 
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I imagine a room full of Latin executives thinking "I wish this gringo would just speak English instead of broken Spanish".
No way.

Latinos are very friendly and patient when trying to speak Spanish and they always try to help, unlike the French

If you don't and/or can't speak the language it's fine, but don't say things that aren't true
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Old 02-01-2017, 03:18 AM
 
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indonesia is a good spoken language to speak, and pretty easy to learn, and also many country is learning it now
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Old 02-01-2017, 06:56 AM
 
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No way.

Latinos are very friendly and patient when trying to speak Spanish and they always try to help, unlike the French

If you don't and/or can't speak the language it's fine, but don't say things that aren't true
Absolutely agree...I was just teasing the other poster.

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Oh I am from China and went to college there.
Again, typically college students in China cannot carry a conversation in English.
We have a score of offices in China, and some 3rd party suppliers. Again this is a European company. All of the employees except those maybe on the factory floor speak passable English.
What really freaked me out - I was in a train station in Suzhou. We wanted to store our bags so went to the hold bags place. Baggage handler, probably makes all of 5 cents an hour - spoke English. You see bilingual street signs, Chinese and English, in Shanghai now.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Tacoma WA, USA
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It might help to decide based on how many native speakers vs non native speakers speak that language has.

top ten languages by native speakers
1. mandarin - 900 million
2. Spanish - 427 million
3. English - 339 million
4. Arabic - 295 million
5. Hindi - 260 million
6. Portuguese - 230 million
7. Bengali - 189 million
8. Russian - 160 million
9. Punjabi - 146 million
10. Japanese 130 million

top ten non native speakers
1. English - 603 million
2. Malay - 204 million
3. Mandarin - 190 million
4. French - 140 million
5. Hindi - 120 million
6. Russian - 115 million
7. German - 115 million
8. Spanish 94 million
9. Urdu - 94 million
10. Arabic - 90 million

top ten by total speakers
1. Mandarin - 1,090 million
2. English - 942 million
3. Spanish - 570 million
4. Arabic - 385 million
5. Hindi - 380 million
6. Russian - 275 million
7. French - 274 million
8. Portuguese - 262 million
9. Malay - 250 million
10. German - 210 million

Top ten non native by percent of total
1. Swahili - 83%
2. Malay - 81%
3. English - 64%
4. Urdu - 58%
5. German - 54%
6. French - 51%
7. Farsi - 45%
8. Russian - 41%
9. Hindi - 31%
10. Arabic - 23%

by average score (if they didn't show up in a list they will be 11th)
1. English - 2.25
2. Mandarin - 4
3. Malay - 5.25
4. Spanish - 6
4. Hindi - 6
5. Arabic - 7
5. Russian - 7
5. French - 7
6. German - 8.25
7. Swahili - 8.5
8. Urdu - 8.75
9. Portuguese - 9
10. Bengali - 10
11. Punjabi - 10.5
12. Japanese - 10.75

So it seems the most important language after English would be Mandarin followed by Malay and then Spanish.
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Old 02-01-2017, 01:44 PM
 
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Absolutely agree...I was just teasing the other poster.



We have a score of offices in China, and some 3rd party suppliers. Again this is a European company. All of the employees except those maybe on the factory floor speak passable English.
What really freaked me out - I was in a train station in Suzhou. We wanted to store our bags so went to the hold bags place. Baggage handler, probably makes all of 5 cents an hour - spoke English. You see bilingual street signs, Chinese and English, in Shanghai now.
Of course SOME people in China speak good English, especially if their job requires it. I am talking about general people.

Yes. Educated people there all speak some English, but usually not enough to have a conversation.
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Old 02-01-2017, 02:11 PM
 
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Of course SOME people in China speak good English, especially if their job requires it. I am talking about general people.

Yes. Educated people there all speak some English, but usually not enough to have a conversation.
It's amazing however...it's not only the educated people. Walk down to the bund and these touts come out of the woodwork speaking pretty darn good English, all with the same fake watches.
The working girls as well...

I just re-read the title which is what language is most beneficial AFTER English. I submit you only need English (and if one only knows a language other than English, one should learn English if they do anything related to international business or tourism) but if you really wanted to learn another other than English - than I agree Mandarin.
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Old 02-01-2017, 02:14 PM
 
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I think Finnish is at least as important as Chinese.

So, did you know that Linux is Finnish? Did you know that the mobile phone revolution was started by Finns? Did you know that the proto social media platform IRC is Finnish? Did you know that the tune which rocked the world in 1999, Darude - Sandstorm, is Finnish?

No? Yes? But well, give a Chinese equivalent example of these. You can't or you don't know?

Name a Chinese music band. Or a movie.

Exactly. That's why Chinese will never be a world language.
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