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Old 08-25-2014, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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No,

I said "in denial that we are not all out on the streets killing each other"

Your link -
10.2 gun related deaths per 100,000 people...

Semantics. No one said that Americans were LITERALLY killing EVERYONE (ALL )

You still have the worse gun violence of ANY developed nation. You can't get around that.

Again, it's not bothering you because ????
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Old 08-25-2014, 12:39 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Semantics. No one said that Americans were LITERALLY killing EVERYONE (ALL )

You still have the worse gun violence of ANY developed nation. You can't get around that.

Again, it's not bothering you because ????
Oh i know that, sorry but i'm not part of the annoying USA vs every other country debate we have on this forum every other day... i was just trying to make a point that not all American gun owners are psychopathic crazy anti government nut jobs.. majority of American gun owners are just your average joes who aren't out there to go kill a bunch of people.

Also was making a side comment asking why so many people are so concerned about our issues here. i always found that a little strange.
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Old 08-25-2014, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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Oh i know that, sorry but i'm not part of the annoying USA vs every other country debate we have on this forum every other day... i was just trying to make a point that not all American gun owners are psychopathic crazy anti government nut jobs.. majority of American gun owners are just your average joes who aren't out there to go kill a bunch of people.

Also was making a side comment asking why so many people are so concerned about our issues here. i always found that a little strange.
Mostly because this is a discussion board where... you know... you discuss things. Like politics and stuff.
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Old 08-25-2014, 12:56 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Mostly because this is a discussion board where... you know... you discuss things. Like politics and stuff.
That is nice but still how do so many people outside the U.S know so much and seem like they worry so much about certain issues here.

This is just a guess but i believe there are far more people in countries like Canada in the U.K who know more about American issues then there are Americans who worry about issues in Canada and the U.K.

Just very weird to me how bothered people are who live across the ocean who are worried about Americans owning guns, American healthcare, our supposedly dangerous society.
Like come on you don't even live here, how does this bother you? lol
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Old 08-25-2014, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Oh i know that, sorry but i'm not part of the annoying USA vs every other country debate we have on this forum every other day... i was just trying to make a point that not all American gun owners are psychopathic crazy anti government nut jobs.. majority of American gun owners are just your average joes who aren't out there to go kill a bunch of people.

Also was making a side comment asking why so many people are so concerned about our issues here. i always found that a little strange.
Fine, but no one is saying that ALL Americans gun owners are one way or another. What we are saying is that you can do better.

I wouldn't use an internet forum that purposely asks questions regarding ALL countries, especially a thread started by an AMERICAN to judge whether the world is so concerned about internal US issues.

I will say that in Canada, we feel your lack of gun control with the amount of illegal weapons that cross into Canada is OUR issue.

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Old 08-25-2014, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Hong Kong / Vienna
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That is nice but still how do so many people outside the U.S know so much and seem like they worry so much about certain issues here.

This is just a guess but i believe there are far more people in countries like Canada in the U.K who know more about American issues then there are Americans who worry about issues in Canada and the U.K.

Just very weird to me how bothered people are who live across the ocean who are worried about Americans owning guns, American healthcare, our supposedly dangerous society.
Like come on you don't even live here, how does this bother you? lol
Oh, you just hear this and that from various news outlets and magazines.

By any means, it doesn't bother me at all on a personal level. You are free to shoot each other or do whatever you want across the pond. You don't have to fear interference from my side or from any other European

The reason why I discuss things like this is because I'm genuinely curious about why Americans on here seem to defend things that are completely unreasonable to me. Until this point people failed to explain to me why the second amendment is needed.
People usually get emotional and tell me to mind my own business, explain it from a historical point of view, tell me that they would totally get into a shootout when somebody is stealing their purse or tell me some other tinfoil hat story (defending oneself from the government).
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Old 08-25-2014, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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That is nice but still how do so many people outside the U.S know so much and seem like they worry so much about certain issues here.

This is just a guess but i believe there are far more people in countries like Canada in the U.K who know more about American issues then there are Americans who worry about issues in Canada and the U.K.

Just very weird to me how bothered people are who live across the ocean who are worried about Americans owning guns, American healthcare, our supposedly dangerous society.
Like come on you don't even live here, how does this bother you? lol
I believe this relates to what we were discussing on another thread - insular people such as yourself take immense pride from how little they care about the rest of the world. I care about all countries and what happens there - whether it's the US, Canada, Germany or Japan. If Germany didn't have universal healthcare or had sky-high murder rates, I would be concerned about them as well.

I mean, it seems you and your countrymen care very little about the state your country is in, and will defend it to the death, even if it's wrong, so if we don't care, nobody else will either. It's pretty sad that the only ones who seem to care about your country and its future are foreigners who don't live there. You and your ilk will just sit around thinking everything is fine, this is just how the US works, mind your own business etc.
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Old 08-25-2014, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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That is nice but still how do so many people outside the U.S know so much and seem like they worry so much about certain issues here.

This is just a guess but i believe there are far more people in countries like Canada in the U.K who know more about American issues then there are Americans who worry about issues in Canada and the U.K.

Just very weird to me how bothered people are who live across the ocean who are worried about Americans owning guns, American healthcare, our supposedly dangerous society.
Like come on you don't even live here, how does this bother you? lol
I sort of answered that in my last post in regards to Canada.

As for the rest of the world, I don't think they really care too much about US internal issues. As someone just stated, this is forum in which to discuss things. The topic of this forum is Freedom asked by an American….and typically…Americans bring up guns. So we respond. Most of us DO NOT equate freedom with gun ownership. Hence the discussion.

Where the rest of the world DOES care is when SOME American attitudes about the rest of the world ( labelling democracies as socialist and leftist just because they have gun control,universal healthcare ) starts to influence public opinion to the point that they support harmful foreign policies that does affect them.
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Old 08-25-2014, 01:31 PM
 
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That is nice but still how do so many people outside the U.S know so much and seem like they worry so much about certain issues here.

This is just a guess but i believe there are far more people in countries like Canada in the U.K who know more about American issues then there are Americans who worry about issues in Canada and the U.K.

Just very weird to me how bothered people are who live across the ocean who are worried about Americans owning guns, American healthcare, our supposedly dangerous society.
Like come on you don't even live here, how does this bother you?
lol
I can only speak for myself, but it is for a large part schadenfreude. You've made a terrible mess of just about everything and keep on talking about 'American exceptionalism', 'America's the best', 'America is the richest country in the world'. It's quite hilarious but a bit sad at the same time as well.
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Old 08-25-2014, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I should add, that in discussion like this, about freedom, the US is a natural target since no there nation I know of goes on and on about freedom. As if they are the only ones with bragging rights. Look at some of the posts here trying to insinuate that other countries are somehow less free because they ban home schooling or have tighter gun control laws.

Freedom to me is not feeling I need a weapon to protect myself. Not needing to worry about going to the wrong part of town. Not worrying about healthcare costs ( on a personal level, I do pay attention to what the gov't does in this regard )

I don't like our current Federal gov't, but I don't fear it. I still feel empowered enough to effect change.

I have freedom of and from religion. Freedom of the press. I don't feel that hate speech laws are an infringement on my freedom of speech as some here have stated.

What I find on these threads, that it's usually Americans who start touting what freedom they have over other countries.
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