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Old 09-07-2020, 03:52 AM
 
Location: London, UK
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I reference what now today we call the United States.......not only Florida, but the entire west coast....ya Mexico, but before that the area was a part of Spain.
Same point applies, those were outlying peripheral, lowly populated lands the Spanish and subsequently the Mexicans showed little importance for, at least compared to their more lucrative lands to the South.

The United States expanded with their English speaking institutions by purchasing or invading these lands, then the cowboys came & drove the Native Americans out or into Prisorvations hence why English is the lingua Franca in the United States which were formed by founding farthers of predominantly British descent.

Heck even the British were desperate to take the lands to the south instead. They tried to take Cartagena of Indies three times, they tried to take Buenos Aires but at that time Spain was the global superpower so they had to settle for their northern colonies then aid South American countries inntheir fight for independence to gain influence in that part of the world. Simon Bolivar studied in London!
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Old 09-07-2020, 09:05 AM
 
Location: State of Superior
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Same point applies, those were outlying peripheral, lowly populated lands the Spanish and subsequently the Mexicans showed little importance for, at least compared to their more lucrative lands to the South.

The United States expanded with their English speaking institutions by purchasing or invading these lands, then the cowboys came & drove the Native Americans out or into Prisorvations hence why English is the lingua Franca in the United States which were formed by founding farthers of predominantly British descent.

Heck even the British were desperate to take the lands to the south instead. They tried to take Cartagena of Indies three times, they tried to take Buenos Aires but at that time Spain was the global superpower so they had to settle for their northern colonies then aid South American countries inntheir fight for independence to gain influence in that part of the world. Simon Bolivar studied in London!
The Spanish influence was quite noticeable in places to the West. California the most noted with Spanish the “ official “ language... The vastness of the West is a geographical thing with much of the area not suitable for farming, too dry., desert. Maybe one could say logistical, it was not until refrigerated train cars that the growing became important in the valleys of California. Things might have been different had Mexico not neglected it northern territories,and then there was the wars with Spain that drained economies. Had the timing been right and Sutters Mill gold discovered later than 1848 maybe the sale of these lands to the US might not have happened.
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Old 01-09-2021, 12:26 PM
 
Location: SE UK
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However the British empire lost importance in the 1940's. The Suez canal crisis was the last nail in the coffin.

Have in mind that when the UK was at its imperial peak, French was somehow the language of the elites, not English.

You CANNOT deny that the English language today matters because the US matters, not because the UK matters.

The US eclipses the UK globally.

When people want to learn English they are not thinking about New Zealand, or Australia, people are thinking of the US.
What nonsense, how can the English language only matter because of the US when the US was simply ONE of dozens of countries speaking ENGLISH in the first place because of the British Empire! Australians, New Zealanders, Irish, Indians, Canadians, Americans themselves etc etc ALL speak ENGLISH and not American. The clue really is in the name of the language!
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