Would Wyoming secede from the union? (credit, loan, purchase)

[tigergal]

Originally Posted by ElkHunter

Does anybody know if Obama has ever been to Wyoming, or even knows where it is at?

The Obamas vacationed in Yellowstone in August, 2009. Mrs. Obama was in Jackson, Wyoming just this past August.
Barack Obama visits Yellowstone National Park - 1

[juppiter]

Originally Posted by Wm Jas

I have never been able to understand why individual States don't have the same natural right to secede from the Union as the Colonies had to secede from Great Britain. When the revolution was won there were 13 individual States [i.e. “countries”]. The union of the States came later.

Even if they did have that right, it would seem to me to only apply to the original 13 colonies that did exist as separate entities before uniting. The states that joined the union since would not have such a right.

[georgiainwyo]

Originally Posted by tigergal

The Obamas vacationed in Yellowstone in August, 2009. Mrs. Obama was in Jackson, Wyoming just this past August.
Barack Obama visits Yellowstone National Park - 1

Thanks for that link. I knew that the Obama's had visited the park, but time sure flies....I didn't realize it was 3 years ago!

[monkeywrenching]

Originally Posted by Wyomama2

ALL of them? I'm curious to hear your reasoning on this too.

the federal goverment has no authority to make law against firearms at all. the states can do so with very well defined limitations. nothing else after that at all.

[Happy in Wyoming]

Originally Posted by monkeywrenching

the federal goverment has no authority to make law against firearms at all. the states can do so with very well defined limitations. nothing else after that at all.

That is correct. As far as the silly question of whether individuals should be allowed to own nuclear weapons is concerned we may easily dismiss it. Only wealthy nations and possibly a few wealthy individuals could do this. General Electric could possibly do it as well. But no one is going to prevent it on these levels.

As far as the state of Wyoming is concerned a 12 year old can buy a machinegun. We never had a problem before the passage of the National Firearms Act and we'll have no trouble in the future. Wyoming has adequate laws against the criminal misuse of firearms and other deadly weapons, e.g. murder, armed robbery, etc.

Several posters have said sarcastically that Wyoming receives more from the federal government than it pays. It's not true. We are one of the few western states that does not as the federal government also takes mineral royalties. As an independent state this would be ours.

China will buy our coal. Our problem is with both the federal government and state governments blocking access to deep water ports. People complain about Chinese imports but now they don't wish to let us ship out coal to bring some dollars back. I wonder why since we can make China dependent on these coal exports for their power for decades.

We don't want a state of enmity with the US. We'd like to be a trading partner.

If we go Montana won't be far behind. Then, worst case scenario, we can ship through Canada to deep water ports with no interference.

[monkeywrenching]

Originally Posted by Happy in Wyoming

That is correct. As far as the silly question of whether individuals should be allowed to own nuclear weapons is concerned we may easily dismiss it. Only wealthy nations and possibly a few wealthy individuals could do this. General Electric could possibly do it as well. But no one is going to prevent it on these levels.

As far as the state of Wyoming is concerned a 12 year old can buy a machinegun. We never had a problem before the passage of the National Firearms Act and we'll have no trouble in the future. Wyoming has adequate laws against the criminal misuse of firearms and other deadly weapons, e.g. murder, armed robbery, etc.

Several posters have said sarcastically that Wyoming receives more from the federal government than it pays. It's not true. We are one of the few western states that does not as the federal government also takes mineral royalties. As an independent state this would be ours.

China will buy our coal. Our problem is with both the federal government and state governments blocking access to deep water ports. People complain about Chinese imports but now they don't wish to let us ship out coal to bring some dollars back. I wonder why since we can make China dependent on these coal exports for their power for decades.

We don't want a state of enmity with the US. We'd like to be a trading partner.

If we go Montana won't be far behind. Then, worst case scenario, we can ship through Canada to deep water ports with no interference.

there has only been 2 felonies commited by NFA34 automatics since 1934, and both of those were committed by police.

kind of hard to say the law abiding citizen is commiting crimes with automatics when the cops are the ones doing the crime.

plus the fact that the feds lied to make NFA34 constitutional. if they would have told the truth, that law would not even exist.

[Froggie Legs]

Interesting EH, I didn't know about the Doomsday legislation. What specifically was it in response to?

Though I agree that most states will likely not "secede" even if they had the entire state backing them, it is an interesting historical event, since now that all 50 states have some such petiton for secession going, and I can't recall in my lifetime *(only 42 years, so not a very broad range) that this sort of response to an election has happened. Obviously this wasn't a bad topic of discussion, because it has brought people in from all over to weigh on the issue.

You would also have to wonder, what would happen to a "National Park" located within the boundaries of a "seceded state" (hypothetical query).


However, after reading the Hunger Games,(I know, fictitious) I can see that being divided would not be good either.

[Wm Jas]

Originally Posted by juppiter

Even if they did have that right, it would seem to me to only apply to the original 13 colonies that did exist as separate entities before uniting. The states that joined the union since would not have such a right.

I sorry but I don't follow your logic. It seems to me that any entity, however defined, has the natural right to secession, if rational people can articulate a justifiable cause.

[Wm Jas]

I may have posted this before but I recently heard from a Wyo State Rep that the powers that be are negotiating with Vancouver for deep water port access.

The anti's are now working to prevent construction of a proposed new $470m rail line from Ashland, MT to Miles City that would facilitate NW Wy coal reaching this port. We can do it now but faster is better & cheaper.

And we are looking at a Sheridan by-pass [the line now goes through town] for the 150 trains a day [that's 75 each way and will be a nearly continuous line]that will be needed to satisfy the Chinese market - which could be just the beginning of supplying the Asian Rim.

[juppiter]

Originally Posted by Wm Jas

I sorry but I don't follow your logic. It seems to me that any entity, however defined, has the natural right to secession, if rational people can articulate a justifiable cause.

Because the United States fought for and/or acquired any territory not included in the original 13 states. If anything other than the original 13 wants to secede they must reimburse the US govt billions and trillions of dollars.

Of course I am tempted to just say "go" because Wyoming will be a third world country without the blue states subsidizing it as we always have. For a state that hates socialism it sure loves socialism.