01-22-2014, 05:16 PM
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I was wondering if someone with knowledge of the Rapid City SD and Lander WY area could give their opinion about which one they prefer. We are currently in Rapid City, have two small children and have been offered a job opportunity in Lander. We like Rapid city but Lander seems nice too. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks
01-22-2014, 05:42 PM
Location: Wyoming
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I get to Rapid City pretty regularly so know it as a visitor. I first came to Wyoming (from Alaska) for a job in Lander. When I got here for the interview I was told there was no job in Lander but I could have my choice of similar jobs in Gillette, Cody or Greybull. I turned them all down originally, but after moving back to Iowa for a few months (same kind of job), I was missing the mountains too much, and when the prospective employer for the Wyoming jobs called to up the offer I jumped on it and moved to Gillette. Lander would still have been my choice. It's beautiful there if you like the outdoors. The town itself is nice too -- small, MUCH smaller than Rapid City, but if you can live without the offerings of a "big city" like Rapid, I'd jump at the chance.
I strongly considered Cody, but I wasn't sure if I'd like the summer tourist traffic. Lander doesn't have much of that either. It's close enough to Jackson Hole and Yellowstone that you can make the trip for on a long weekend, but it's enough off the beaten path that it just doesn't get many tourists.
I haven't been to Lander for a few years so can't give you an update on what's available in the town itself, but I don't think it's changed much. It is pretty isolated for shopping. Riverton, just up the road a bit, has a little more shopping such as a Walmart, otherwise it's a couple hours to Casper (similar to Rapid for shopping, etc.) and then another 3-4 hours to Denver.
But the mountains! Oh my!
01-22-2014, 05:54 PM
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Thanks for the feedback. We visited Lander and thought it was beautiful. My main concern is that the limited housing market seems to drive the prices up and seems like it may be a little tough on my husbands government salary.
01-22-2014, 06:38 PM
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I've spent a lot of time in both places ...
there's little basis for comparison, IMO ... except for the ready access to exceptional outdoor recreation
RC is a sizable city, with all the amenities that go with that ... shopping, medical, services, restaurants, entertainment, large retailers, heavy industry, gov't agencies, transportation hub/commercial airport service. The choices are numerous to fulfil virtually any need that you might have, and the residential areas surrounding are very nice. With ready access to the Black Hills attractions (minutes away from downtown to be there), and towns like Spearfish, Lead, and the area lakes (have camped a lot at Angostura) ... this city and the surrounding region are very livable, affordable, and enjoyable. Simply one of my favorite areas to call upon for my sales trips .... and I really look forward to the restaurant options in RC compared to so much of the territory that I travel (WY, NoCO, WeNE, WeSD). I've not seen weather extremes like show up in WY ... I've been "stuck" in RC when the roads homeward to SeWY were impassable ... and I can't think of too many other places that I'd like to be stranded in for a few days.
OTOH, Lander is a sea change apart. Surrounded by excellent outdoor recreation opportunities, it's essentially at the end of the road for isolation. The population base isn't big enough to support all the retail, medical, shopping, restaurants (although Svilar's and CowFish do stand out), and the massive complex of commercial/industrial activity of an RC locale. The pace of life is perhaps a bit more low key here ... and wintertime is noticeably slower than the ongoing pace of RC winters. You'll most likely need to travel for many purposes ... from shopping to medical to entertainment needs, and the distances aren't trivial.
Lander is one of my top choices for a place to live in Wyoming ... but, then again, when I was in the marketplace for a farm/ranch to buy, I couldn't afford it there. When the day comes that I lease out our place and have the freedom to live in other places ... we'll most likely buy a house in the Lander area on some acreage where we can have a large garden for 4 months of the year. That's how much we like the area; put this in perspective ... I already own SFH's in CO resort areas that are paid for but except for a few skiing days in the winter ... I'd rather spend my time in Lander.
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01-22-2014, 07:33 PM
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I grew up in Rapid City, but now live in Northern Wyoming. If I had it all to do over again, I would have gotten out of Rapid City a whole lot sooner. The two states are miles apart in taxes, and wages. The Property taxes in Rapid or should I say Pennington County, are rediculous. We lived about 3/4 mile West of Johnson Siding. When I moved to Wyoming and they told me what the Property Tax was on a place, I told them, No, I don't want the monthly cost, I want the annual. It is that much of a difference.
Hunting and fishing opportunities are a lot better in Wyoming. When I left the Black Hills, if you wanted to hide behind a tree while hunting, you had to bring your own tree because all the other trees were being used. When I go hunting here, I might go all day and not see a single sole. Outdoor opportunities are astounding.
I left Rapid City, and never looked back. I have absolutely no desire to ever return, other than to visit friends and then I do it quickly.
01-22-2014, 07:48 PM
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I'm a Lander native, but was last there 2006~2009. Don't worry about medical needs, Lander has attracted top flight doctors for at Least the last 4 decades (which is when my parents moved there, mother was a life-flight/ER/ICU nurse who went on to be the director of the nursing program in Riverton). I don't see that it's going to change anytime soon given the amenities/quality of life available in Lander.
It's true that "shopping" isn't major amenity in Lander, but there's no daily-use items that can't be bought there. And for the rest, Amazon delivers everywhere..
But, there's a significant presence of local artists in Lander, more than I've seen everywhere else I've lived and most places I've visited. Into the outdoors at All, and you have specialty shopping right there (be that hunting, climbing, fishing, camping, etc...) I can't think of any real reason we ever went to Riverton (30 min drive) to shop, with the exception of "well, while we're over here".
Lander sets the bar for good food options as far as I'm concerned. Even in big cities, it's just a fight to find good food and we have completely given up within the past 2 years. But driving back to GA from my folks place in MT about a month from now, we're going through Lander specifically to eat at a couple of our favorites there. Never mind that it adds a day to our drive and the nights hotel cost, it's worth it.
I don't know thing one about RC, I've driven past dozens of times but never bother to stop. You have to wonder about a place that Constantly has write-ups like this (seriously, every few years since at least the mid 1980's):
Lander named a "Great Place" by Mother Earth News magazine - County 10
Housing IS tight. Lander is in a valley, there's limited land available within the town and the "pretty" stuff just outside of town (Baldwin creek road) are bought up by million/billionaires. My County Gov job paid plenty enough to cover living expenses, including owning a home in town. Granted, it was easy to shop since there were a grand total of 6 homes on the market within my price range that Weren't trailers.
My wife is kicking herself for moving us away. Oh well, it's done now.... we'd both move back in an instant should employment open up there for me (and I look, frequently).
01-23-2014, 12:01 PM
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Thanks for the input. It seems like a good opportunity and we did enjoy our half day visit there although I don't feel like that was enough time to get a good feel for it. I guess our main concerns are the housing prices and me being able to get a job when I'm ready to go back to work in a couple years. It does seem that there are a fair amount of government jobs in the area and being a veteran, that might be an option for me. Again thanks for the feedback it has been helpful
01-23-2014, 01:32 PM
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Love Wyoming but housing is tight and that drives up prices.
I tried finding a rental in Cody last spring but it just wasn't turning loose so ended up back in Montana.
Look closely at anything that is available, especially if it's been on the market for awhile or is priced lower cuz there may be some 'poison pill' involved with it.
Good luck!
03-26-2014, 04:03 PM
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I've lived in Lander for many years. If you're willing to buy instead of rent, you should be OK. Riverton is cheaper, but not as pretty and housing all over Fremont County is pretty scarce. Usually, you're going to end up with something that was built in the 60's or 70's and needs major remodeling, unless you are willing to pay above $300,000. It's a beautiful community but if city amenities are important to you, I'd locate elsewhere. I think it's nicer than Rapid City and the climate is better, though still cold. Employment is pretty tight too unless you're willing to work in the energy industry or have some type of self-employment skill. It's been a boom/bust economy in my years here, so if you move here, have your emergency fund saved. Big discount stores (Walmart/K Mart) are 27 miles away in Riverton, but the closest Target, Macy's or whatever is 2 l/2 hours away in Casper. It's beautiful and full of great outdoor activities, but it is remote. Like I said, if city stuff isn't important to you, you'll love it.
04-17-2014, 11:15 PM
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Well thanks for the input... Lander is looking like a good option for us, we are finding rapid city a bit too crowded for our liking and my husband is in the final phase of the hiring process out there... Thanks again maybe I'll see some of you when we get there
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People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)