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Let me see if I can offer a quick breather here just to sort of present an organized list of insights without incites:
Former long-time Wyomingonger here - walked every dadblamed inch of that state and most states around it - lived in it - ate off of it - froze in it - caught fire in it - know my way around it a tad, so (with all due respect):
1) We love our trees. Like 'em a lot.
And we know how to swing an axe - by gum.
And we know how to heat up a stick of dynamite.
And we ain't afraid to yank one of them puppies out of the ground - we
know how to manage our trees. Besides, we simply have to leave some
-- cause sometimes, you have to have something to winch to to get
your 4-wheeler out.
2) We don't hardly ever drill for oil! Not much any more anyhow.
All natural gas now.
Besides, there's a large part of Wyoming that isn't so pretty.
We'd've given it to Texas years ago - 'cept it's got gas and coal under it.
Every now and then, somebody lives on those parts.
Their luck ain't so darned good.
3) We are very concerned about environmental impact.
However, we can take a heap of it. No sweat.
Our night sky is still bigger and clearer than anybody elses.
And our water is too.
4) Another thing about water .....
We ain't got no water tables! We got water WARS!!
Keep your cotton-pickers offa my water!
Keep 'em offa my neighbor's water too!
Now, just to address one slight concern the lady has ... about folks bein' all friendly and stuff around here ...
... Look, it's kinda like Wyoming; if the horses just got out and the fence is broken down and all we have is one pair of pliars and one lead-rope - and nobody's helping ... it's not a good day. Ya takes yer chances.
Peace, Cowgirl!
(Oh, and Howdy folks - thanks for lettin' me take a minute with you - just couldn't resist jumpin' right in the middle of this snarly ol' thread!)
5) Late addition - sorry - forgot about the bird-thing. Somebody got a problem with the bird? Soak it overnight in sour milk. That's how we take care of bird-problems in Wyody!
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Read the article in today's (June 19, 2008) Los Angeles Times on page A16 " U.S. IS SUED OVER DRILLING IN WYOMING". WHOEVER WROTE " I AM NOT GENUINE, MY SPELLING IS BAD "; Please read that article. I didn't made that up, dump kq6ee55.
Read the article in today's (June 19, 2008) Los Angeles Times on page A16 " U.S. IS SUED OVER DRILLING IN WYOMING". WHOEVER WROTE " I AM NOT GENUINE, MY SPELLING IS BAD "; Please read that article. I didn't made that up, dump kq6ee55.
kq6ee55
Is this what you were talking about?
Interior Department Sued over Drilling in Wyoming. As President Bush called for increased oil and gas drilling in the Rocky Mountain West and offshore, an environmental group launched a legal battle Wednesday against the Interior Department, saying the agency broke its promise to limit environmental damage from natural gas and oil development on the Pinedale Anticline, one of the country's top reserves.
It starts out by saying "An invironmental group..." That explains it. They got money and nothing better to do. They also have blinders on and can't see what's good for the country.
There are ALWAYS ppl trying to sue about drilling while they drive their diesel duallies, Esalades, etc. Don't come crying up MY tree. Clark WY (north of Cody - pretty close to the MT border) are famous for fighting drilling "in our backyard" - most of the drilling is barely noticeable & is on BLM land. When you purchase land that backs up on BLM & feels like you have just purchased a piece of heaven because you will "never have neighbors" you just MAY have the gov doing something in your backyard. I drive by there very often & RARELY see more than 1 rig at a time. Most are drilled & capped. I'm sorry, but these are tree-huggers - MANY of them admittedly "newbies" to the area & didn't "expect" to have that going on nearby. SOMEBODY then didn't do their homework as to Wyo's biggest exports & natural resources. I don't feel bad at all about it and no I do NOT feel anybody is selling out anything. And who knows of anything in the LEAST bit controversial that doesn't have a "special interest group" raising cain & starting law suits???
Greenies like the green... the folding type of green...
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It starts out by saying "An invironmental group..." That explains it. They got money and nothing better to do. They also have blinders on and can't see what's good for the country.
Ah, but NB this as well: Thanks to policy enacted during the Clinton administration, when an environmental group sues the US government and prevails, they get their legal expenses re-paid.
For lawyers who work for these environmental groups, this has become a regular industry. They don't sue for the environment. They're suing to line their pockets at the expense of the US taxpayer.
Sure they do. Many times I've seen where none of the environmentalists live in that area. But they migrate there in tents, campers, motorhomes and such so they can protest and sue about how it's damaging their environment to drill for oil.
Well, how do you think you got that motorhome here?
Ah, but NB this as well: Thanks to policy enacted during the Clinton administration, when an environmental group sues the US government and prevails, they get their legal expenses re-paid.
For lawyers who work for these environmental groups, this has become a regular industry. They don't sue for the environment. They're suing to line their pockets at the expense of the US taxpayer.
A link to envirofascist propaganda in the LA Times does not constitute proof of anything you've stated or even suggested in this thread. There is a huge difference between taking care of what we have and turning a cause into a global alarmist money machine. Enviro-fascism is a racket on a grand scale; I would recommend becoming more familiar with the scam as those who don't generally end up becoming pawns of the green machine.
I find it intriguing that most of the green pushers come from those areas that create the most waste... generally population-heavy areas that consist of a concrete maze supporting buildings higher than the smog layer generated by the people living there. These same people pledge their undying allegiance to the "green" movement and canonize their leaders, those selfless souls who travel the world in their private jets and armored SUV contingents. Of course, even God had to rest, so sometimes these adored leaders can be found at one of their 10,000 sq/ft mansions unwinding from their selfless crusade.
Of course, governments and the UN are more than happy to take part in this farce... what better way to pilfer more money than through more control? What better way to attain more power than through an alarmist agenda that speaks of global doom.... unless we listen to them of course. The propagandists that have the airtime have proven themselves nothing but corrupt narcissists, eager to take control of the masses. Hmmm... now that you mention it, that sounds like a great in for a global socialist movement.... For everybody but those benevolent rulers of course.
Pardon my cynicism, but I lived in CA for way too long to be naive about this scheme. If you want to have a reasonable conversation or debate please start by coming to the table with logic rather than emotion. Bring some information (sorry, quotes from places like saveourenvironment.org and actionnetwork.org don't count) that explains why this cycle is different from the cycles the earth has negotiated for thousands of years prior to man driving anything. Something about why other planets are warming would help too.... I'm pretty sure our Hummer exhaust is not capable of reaching Mars.
Speaking of Hummers... they run off the evil internal combustion engine. Do you or your movement have a plan for us and the Mars people to power our industry and personal transportation while other forms of power are being developed and brought to market? I know economic collapse is preferred by the enviro-fascists... it creates fear, uncertainty and doubt within the masses and recession due partially to extreme fuel prices can be useful. What better way to convert people to the way you think they should be than by raising their fuel/food/everything else prices to the point of misery. I know... the ends justify the means if when it comes to saving mother earth from all of us simple people.
Also- Why do your leaders fly around in private jets and make millions off their "selfless contributions" to enviro-fascism (and yes, I know I'm poisoning the well with the enviro-fascism label... I enjoy it) while preaching that everybody else should drive battery-powered cars? Speaking of those cars, what happens to all of those batteries when they go bad? Do they just disappear in as good batteries should do, or is disposal required? Speaking of disposal, where do you plan on disposing of those cute little [highly toxic] CFL's? I personally prefer to break them into little pieces, mix them with sand and eat them, but most people will probably throw them in the trash. We should convert everybody to CFL's.... with all that mercury running around we will be able to just look at the dirt to tell the temperature.... landfill raises a foot and it's 97*, down two feet to and it's 84*. OR.... more people will make more money on special CFL disposal processes. Care to guess which of the usual suspects will make a few hundred million off that one?
How about the sun? Can you tell us why the sun is always left out of the enviro debate? Could solar radiation have anything to do with this "climate change?" It's probably nothing, but since the sun is kind of (sort of) a minor source of heat in the this solar system (what's solar mean anyway... it would be kind of ironic if it had something to do with the sun) maybe it has something to do with cycles and heat and all of that other complicated stuff?
Seriously.... I'm growing a bit tired of the empty rhetoric that gets thrown around. Have you ever been to a drilling site and personally viewed the events? Have you seen the engineering that goes into a rig? Have you ever thought to consider an objective view rather than one based on indoctrination? Do you claim any knowledge based upon personal experience, or do you just repeat what you've been told? Are you in need of some guilt relief for something and you've found reprieve in a feel-good movement? Do you know anything about the correlation between the megalomaniacs that exist in governments and the green crusade?
Please do not come on this site and insult the people here by treating us as if we're ignorant. Just because we don't live in skyscrapers does not mean we're inbred backwoods simpletons. I'm betting more than a few of us here have a better education than you do, and that's not counting life experiences in a place where the best of nature clashes with the best of mankind on a daily basis.
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Originally Posted by kq6ee55
Read the article in today's (June 19, 2008) Los Angeles Times on page A16 " U.S. IS SUED OVER DRILLING IN WYOMING". WHOEVER WROTE " I AM NOT GENUINE, MY SPELLING IS BAD "; Please read that article. I didn't made that up, dump kq6ee55.
I have a question for anyone who knows...
Will Wyoming pursue coal gasification technologies?
These technologies have shown some promise of capturing CO2 emissions from the coal plant and then storing them underground.
We may be seeing federal carbon regulations in the next few years, and I see a potential shift toward nuclear and natural gas.
Many people are concerned about CO2 emissions, but maybe better technologies such as IGCC could help?
I have a question for anyone who knows...
Will Wyoming pursue coal gasification technologies?
These technologies have shown some promise of capturing CO2 emissions from the coal plant and then storing them underground.
We may be seeing federal carbon regulations in the next few years, and I see a potential shift toward nuclear and natural gas.
Many people are concerned about CO2 emissions, but maybe better technologies such as IGCC could help?
There have already been gasification plants in Wyo, and there are plans for four production-level plants from what I've heard. It's almost a non-issue when the grade of coal produced here is considered... it's extremely clean and scrubbers are very effective. There are already rumblings of Wyo power plants running with CO2 separation anyway, as CA will not purchase power from us unless the CO2 is trapped. Although I would prefer that Wyo not do business with CA, this one would be a bit different as the CO2 can be used for industrial purposes AND for lifting oil in old fields.
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U.S. is sued !!!!
