Some posts that took some time
My thoughts on Socialism in Ex Yugoslavia
Posted 02-04-2018 at 01:30 AM by switchtoecig
From the thread: What are your thoughts on capitalism?
Originally Posted by Forgottenwoes
OP, what I see as the problem in socialism/communism, even when done with best intentions, is that it neglects the human nature. In the end, it always results in:
- massive abuse of power allegedly given to "working people" by the unscrupulous few
- squashing the people's right to think critically and question those in power ie "the party"
- lack of motivation felt accross the board (which causes many capable individuals to emmigrate. Those are the same people who are, as a rule, capable and willing to think critically and do it aloud, so there's one more reason to leave the place that gives neither freedom nor opportunities to realize one's potential). I consider this last thing the biggest sin and the biggest loss perpetuated by socialist country and its one and only communist party.
Now, you mention Tito's Yugoslavia and the system of self-government. I live where it used to exist. Now, I wouldn't go so far to call him a leader of nazi murdering hordes like one of the posters did. It's a usual exaggeration from right wingers who used to live here. He and his government did put the vocal opposition in prison, though. But, like I said, that system resulted in all of the ills listed above.
Now, as for socialist elements (without communism) - I have nothing against that. Countries of northern Europe are probably the best places to live today. If only the climate was better ... sigh.
Originally Posted by Forgottenwoes
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My main problem with capitalism is that it cannot exist without classes, even if it's feminist capitalism or environmental capitalism, classes are the one thing it can't live without and to me it's reason enough for it to be bad. It's a system of mass murder for the comfort of the elite. I'm a communist. I recognize capitalism and the bourgeoisie's historically progressive roles in overcoming feudalism and the aristocratic social order, and I also recognize that it needs to be relegated to history just like the systems they overcame.
- massive abuse of power allegedly given to "working people" by the unscrupulous few
- squashing the people's right to think critically and question those in power ie "the party"
- lack of motivation felt accross the board (which causes many capable individuals to emmigrate. Those are the same people who are, as a rule, capable and willing to think critically and do it aloud, so there's one more reason to leave the place that gives neither freedom nor opportunities to realize one's potential). I consider this last thing the biggest sin and the biggest loss perpetuated by socialist country and its one and only communist party.
Now, you mention Tito's Yugoslavia and the system of self-government. I live where it used to exist. Now, I wouldn't go so far to call him a leader of nazi murdering hordes like one of the posters did. It's a usual exaggeration from right wingers who used to live here. He and his government did put the vocal opposition in prison, though. But, like I said, that system resulted in all of the ills listed above.
Now, as for socialist elements (without communism) - I have nothing against that. Countries of northern Europe are probably the best places to live today. If only the climate was better ... sigh.
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