Black Culture: White Perspective
Posted 08-09-2017 at 12:42 PM by Chance and Change
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change
The use by "some white people" of the word "Accommodate" implies as if America belongs to white people. That’s the fallacy of this... then they follow it up with "Assimilate", which again, "by their usage of the word" seek to imply as if they think "white people are some model" to emulate.
Again... a delusional fallacy of and within "SOME" white people, as thinking they are superior.
First off.. Black people can and do "think" for themselves. The element of "white bias and white bigotry" is the greater issue, of "some" within white society playing their "block and tackle at any and every point".
If not for black people, all one has to do is look at the "poor whites in American", because they have been generational cycles of poor white people. And they represent what white people are and became when they did not have the benefit of profits gained by free black labor.
"Any Person" - Black or White can build and create anything, "IF they have the resources of capital"... Truth within the History never told by the "white society" is the fact that: The ideas of black people were often stolen and credit for the ideas stolen by white people since the days of slavery.
As to language, if anyone heard the general poor speaking rural whites of the era, and those who still speak poorly today; and those who spoke poorly from various region, who were immigrants from various European localities, then they would know where broken words and much of non standardization within the American Form of English Usage(s) and such "modifications" came from.
Even today, one can go to various parts of the country and people speak differently, and in some major metro's one can go from one community to the next and find various ethnic people who speak different, and likewise so of rural or out back living inhabitants who speak differently. Yet, people want to focus on black people.. how insidiously amazing...and ignorant, when they refuse to look across their own white ethnic diverse cultures.
One can listen to the people who gained wealth from slavery and how they talk, and then listen to those who did not, its almost two different versions of English. Then when one consider the variety of Europeans, who came, and settled in region and listen to the difference in how they speak from one European group culture to the next, it is again "different versions of English".... yet, people want to try and "single out blacks'...
Heck, if one is subjected to these various difference in versions, with no access to schools then it is highly likely, one would develop a method of using English that would translate across all these variations. If anything, it’s the ingenuity of the black usage of language, that was innovative to translate information across the wide variety, while at the same time, learning how to use words, to speak in ways that avoid the retributions by an abusive white culture. Black people were wise enough to know how to speak even in the presence of the white man, and say what they wanted to say, while among themselves understanding what was said... whereas the white man got his interpretation, but the message conveyed to and among other blacks in same atmosphere where the conversation took place... would get a deeper message that they understood.
White people tried to do the same thing, when talking to other white people in the presence of blacks, by using Latin Words and Phrases to avoid using English words, because they wanted blacks not to understand what they were talking about. But black people figured it out anyway. The method of white people using so much Latin in "Professions" is derived from this very angle of method.... but it did not stop black people from grasping what was being communicated, and equally so, black people had a front row seat not only to hear, but to watch what was being done.
The white man was and is still today, confounded by the skill set of black people to comprehend and digest what he thought they could not, and it further confounded the white man, when black people could take whatever the concept was that was being discussed and 'expound upon in creative ways" of which the white man had not considered.
The REAL TRUTHS that the "white man" "did not" record in his history books... is the real truths that confounded him as he spend inordinate time, trying to make himself the "hero" of "history" as in (his-story) !!!!
Time reveals all truths...
MLK did not abhor black culture... what he saw was a violent and atrociously vicious white culture, that could not function to assimilate with others cultures and would be brutal and aggressively violent toward those whom he could not comprehend... That is what MLK was telling black people, is to learn to mimic for the sake of avoidance of conflict , but retain the ability and means to still think your own thoughts, and pray to the God "you" know... not to the God, the white man claims is solely his.
Black Religion did not teach bias and racism, it did not teach that one man was above another man, nor did it twist Gods words to try and seek out and justifications for abusing other man.
Black Music told a story that was spiritual in every element of the essence, and the power of the beat and the rhythms of the flow, conveyed the unity of mind, body and spirit, in the power of how the music drives the dance. White man’s music did not have that same flow nor the essence of what was within black music. Often times white music was even difficult for white man to synchronize his body with their music, and history has seen in previous time’s poor dance methods by white people.
When white people began to gravitate to black music, then is when they learned to dance, because the music commands the unity of mind, body and spirit to move with dance. and the synchronicity of the body melds into the flow.
These guys are talking but they are talking from a "white perspective", they don't know enough about the nature of black culture to speak from a black perspective in the matters depths they are trying to discuss. They see the surface of what they are discussing, but they don't understand the underlying elements of composure that makes what they see on the surface.
Its far easier to decipher the white man, because his value basis is “money", his self measure is based on "money" and his sense of place in the world is based on "money". Black peoples value basis is God, and the self measures is based on God Principles, and his sense of place in the world is based on "God as Supreme Being".
These are very different basis's -
The only benefit that America imposed upon the back man was a need to bond more with God and not loose himself in material things. But, it is not something that was not already within black people. Because they lived in harmony with the earth and all things upon the earth in the land of Africa where they were taken from. If they considered themselves wealthy, it was because of the elements of nature, such as how many livestock they could care for, and what of crops they could manage and maintain, and how they became a value to the community of tribal bonding.
Again, very different from the European, who came from Caste and Class system, where they were designated in various levels of impoverishment, they lived in a continual "cut throat existence", be it in the caste of peasantry, serf, or indentured to the slum dweller, to the out in the boonies type of shack dwelling wilderness. The generalized nature of "desperation" that resided in the white culture.. Became more pronounced when they came to America, they brought with them the "hording mentality" and the driven desire to try and emulate the Royalty they knew they could never be, and they thought "money" would infer such status upon them. Because they never knew that Royalty was not about "money", it was about care of the people which inferred leadership for the protections of the people, money only facilitated the means to do so.
The real oddity in the whole of this is: The black people who are killing each other, robbing and stealing and forming gangs is more the emulation of "white culture" than it is of anything that come from the historical culture of black people based on their land of origin. The "gun-slinging blacks", can be traced to the exact same "gun-slinging models of what White American was composed of, which white society depicts in its cowboy movies, and even the culture of white man before he became the western cowboy image, all the way back to the "cut throat" methods that have been a consistent thread in white society. The Drive by Shooting is directly derived from the era of American white Mobs and how they did their drive by shooting upon and against one another. All of such things can be traced back to white culture... more than it can be traced any other place. It was not the historical culture of black people, not even from the black people that were brought from many part of the origins of black peoples cultural origins.
Where as the Spiritual based blacks that build community, and care for family and bond with unity for the worship of God, is more the nature and culture of blacks; all the way back to the lands that blacks were brought from.
Again... a delusional fallacy of and within "SOME" white people, as thinking they are superior.
First off.. Black people can and do "think" for themselves. The element of "white bias and white bigotry" is the greater issue, of "some" within white society playing their "block and tackle at any and every point".
If not for black people, all one has to do is look at the "poor whites in American", because they have been generational cycles of poor white people. And they represent what white people are and became when they did not have the benefit of profits gained by free black labor.
"Any Person" - Black or White can build and create anything, "IF they have the resources of capital"... Truth within the History never told by the "white society" is the fact that: The ideas of black people were often stolen and credit for the ideas stolen by white people since the days of slavery.
As to language, if anyone heard the general poor speaking rural whites of the era, and those who still speak poorly today; and those who spoke poorly from various region, who were immigrants from various European localities, then they would know where broken words and much of non standardization within the American Form of English Usage(s) and such "modifications" came from.
Even today, one can go to various parts of the country and people speak differently, and in some major metro's one can go from one community to the next and find various ethnic people who speak different, and likewise so of rural or out back living inhabitants who speak differently. Yet, people want to focus on black people.. how insidiously amazing...and ignorant, when they refuse to look across their own white ethnic diverse cultures.
One can listen to the people who gained wealth from slavery and how they talk, and then listen to those who did not, its almost two different versions of English. Then when one consider the variety of Europeans, who came, and settled in region and listen to the difference in how they speak from one European group culture to the next, it is again "different versions of English".... yet, people want to try and "single out blacks'...
Heck, if one is subjected to these various difference in versions, with no access to schools then it is highly likely, one would develop a method of using English that would translate across all these variations. If anything, it’s the ingenuity of the black usage of language, that was innovative to translate information across the wide variety, while at the same time, learning how to use words, to speak in ways that avoid the retributions by an abusive white culture. Black people were wise enough to know how to speak even in the presence of the white man, and say what they wanted to say, while among themselves understanding what was said... whereas the white man got his interpretation, but the message conveyed to and among other blacks in same atmosphere where the conversation took place... would get a deeper message that they understood.
White people tried to do the same thing, when talking to other white people in the presence of blacks, by using Latin Words and Phrases to avoid using English words, because they wanted blacks not to understand what they were talking about. But black people figured it out anyway. The method of white people using so much Latin in "Professions" is derived from this very angle of method.... but it did not stop black people from grasping what was being communicated, and equally so, black people had a front row seat not only to hear, but to watch what was being done.
The white man was and is still today, confounded by the skill set of black people to comprehend and digest what he thought they could not, and it further confounded the white man, when black people could take whatever the concept was that was being discussed and 'expound upon in creative ways" of which the white man had not considered.
The REAL TRUTHS that the "white man" "did not" record in his history books... is the real truths that confounded him as he spend inordinate time, trying to make himself the "hero" of "history" as in (his-story) !!!!
Time reveals all truths...
MLK did not abhor black culture... what he saw was a violent and atrociously vicious white culture, that could not function to assimilate with others cultures and would be brutal and aggressively violent toward those whom he could not comprehend... That is what MLK was telling black people, is to learn to mimic for the sake of avoidance of conflict , but retain the ability and means to still think your own thoughts, and pray to the God "you" know... not to the God, the white man claims is solely his.
Black Religion did not teach bias and racism, it did not teach that one man was above another man, nor did it twist Gods words to try and seek out and justifications for abusing other man.
Black Music told a story that was spiritual in every element of the essence, and the power of the beat and the rhythms of the flow, conveyed the unity of mind, body and spirit, in the power of how the music drives the dance. White man’s music did not have that same flow nor the essence of what was within black music. Often times white music was even difficult for white man to synchronize his body with their music, and history has seen in previous time’s poor dance methods by white people.
When white people began to gravitate to black music, then is when they learned to dance, because the music commands the unity of mind, body and spirit to move with dance. and the synchronicity of the body melds into the flow.
These guys are talking but they are talking from a "white perspective", they don't know enough about the nature of black culture to speak from a black perspective in the matters depths they are trying to discuss. They see the surface of what they are discussing, but they don't understand the underlying elements of composure that makes what they see on the surface.
Its far easier to decipher the white man, because his value basis is “money", his self measure is based on "money" and his sense of place in the world is based on "money". Black peoples value basis is God, and the self measures is based on God Principles, and his sense of place in the world is based on "God as Supreme Being".
These are very different basis's -
The only benefit that America imposed upon the back man was a need to bond more with God and not loose himself in material things. But, it is not something that was not already within black people. Because they lived in harmony with the earth and all things upon the earth in the land of Africa where they were taken from. If they considered themselves wealthy, it was because of the elements of nature, such as how many livestock they could care for, and what of crops they could manage and maintain, and how they became a value to the community of tribal bonding.
Again, very different from the European, who came from Caste and Class system, where they were designated in various levels of impoverishment, they lived in a continual "cut throat existence", be it in the caste of peasantry, serf, or indentured to the slum dweller, to the out in the boonies type of shack dwelling wilderness. The generalized nature of "desperation" that resided in the white culture.. Became more pronounced when they came to America, they brought with them the "hording mentality" and the driven desire to try and emulate the Royalty they knew they could never be, and they thought "money" would infer such status upon them. Because they never knew that Royalty was not about "money", it was about care of the people which inferred leadership for the protections of the people, money only facilitated the means to do so.
The real oddity in the whole of this is: The black people who are killing each other, robbing and stealing and forming gangs is more the emulation of "white culture" than it is of anything that come from the historical culture of black people based on their land of origin. The "gun-slinging blacks", can be traced to the exact same "gun-slinging models of what White American was composed of, which white society depicts in its cowboy movies, and even the culture of white man before he became the western cowboy image, all the way back to the "cut throat" methods that have been a consistent thread in white society. The Drive by Shooting is directly derived from the era of American white Mobs and how they did their drive by shooting upon and against one another. All of such things can be traced back to white culture... more than it can be traced any other place. It was not the historical culture of black people, not even from the black people that were brought from many part of the origins of black peoples cultural origins.
Where as the Spiritual based blacks that build community, and care for family and bond with unity for the worship of God, is more the nature and culture of blacks; all the way back to the lands that blacks were brought from.
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When people claim some black people are acting white, because they utilize language, in a particular manner... is not a symbolism of black people trying to act "white"... it is black people using the English Language to fulfill their aims in communicating, which has many layers, from home, to business to social interactive usage of the English language. They are not stuck in "one dimensional" utilization of the English Language. They can adapt the language to embrace the feel of the environment and flow with the interaction of the situation being engaged.
If there is a situation where black people are emulating white people.. its within the "killings", "the street violence", "the gang culture and the acts and antics of gangs, which is a direct model and emulation of white European cultured gangs from the historical European societies, who brought it to America and promoted it in the early era's of American Gangster and Racist Violence conduct and activities. It is not historical as a standard in black culture, not during slavery, and not in the early stages post slavery. It became to be from and by: "blacks learning these methods from whites, who saturated the city environments with the likes of street gangs, mob gangs, and criminal gangs of all sorts, houses of prostitution, drugs, alcohol and every such thing, was commonality in white society, even during the early stages when blacks were enslaved through out the centuries of slavery. So... such things were of "white origin", and trying today to blame it on blacks is an atrocity of absurdity of white man trying to deny his own historical creations of vile and madness, murder and mayhem, crime and abuse of any and every sort.
Example: Even in the early days of Compton in the 20th Century... Gangs of blacks were formed to protect themselves from the White's who formed gangs to attack individual blacks. Thus so, Black gangs formed to protect each other from individual attracts from whites, because the white gangs would not readily attack a group of blacks, in the same ways they would attack individual blacks.
The same was true across the nation in the major metro's or any populated areas or industrial sectors...gangs and mob culture, and crime of every sort, killings and other brutalities of rape, prostitution and etc, was there and functioning long before black people were freed from the bondage of slavery.
Our black people who are members of gangs and such must learn... that is the role of "acting white"... and when they understand that, they can return to their natural roots of cultural manner. Which is based on unity, communication, charity among mankind, helpfulness and all the traits that were of the origins of Tribal cultures their ancestry hailed from.
There was no Poverty in Africa before white man arrived and engaged his encroaching, and taking abusive acts upon and against the people, buy forces driven from the power of the "gun". Even blacks who captured other blacks among Tribal warfare, they may have indentured in a form of enslavement of other tribe members, but they could assimilate into the Tribe and become a part of the tribe. As they demonstrated their unification with the Tribe, they were free to engage in the society as Tribes people. Over time many Tribe developed cultures that became a blend of various Tribal melding.
but these are things that "white man's history will never convey" as he has no benefit to record it based on his white man ideological self interest objectives.
He went throughout Africa, attacking and destroying elements of history, and with the power of the gun, he set aim to disrupt any and every aspect of African historical tradition. He first sent in his "missionaries", pushing the image of a White Concept of God, in the contorted view of Christianity that he promoted. He used any and every means to play on the vanity and infect the leaderships with aims of greed and vain hoarding, by introducing weapons for tribes to use against each other, and using the people to turn over precious metals and jewels to get those weapons... which led to many abuses, and thus it was easier for him to use material matter to entice the leaders to indulge his brand of Christianity. He put emphasis on Precious Metals and Jewels, as the currency necessary to gain weapons... and thus began a cycle, that has led to many atrocities of many types over many centuries. Thus distorting and blurring the true nature and culture of the historical African Culture and systems of Tribal societies.
That was the True Raping of Africa.... The slave trade was a by product of the Cultural Rape of Africa.
Evil always seek out what can tempt man... that has been the process of evil for the span of mankind. No man is void of being corrupted, lest he gives himself to honor the truths of God and absorbs himself in the belief and faith to build unity with Gods people, and thus he has strength in numbers to help him ward off the evils that man uses upon and against man to entice man to engage in evil.
That was the True Raping of Africa... was set in motion through and by the promotion of Missionaries, who set out not to promote God for the sake of God, but to make way for white mans aims to gain the things of vanity, by the drive of greed to acquire such things. In such a quest, nothing was made of any higher value than what his vanity and greed pursued.
There is much the 'white man's history will not tell'. But there are traces of history even in what he tried to destroy.
he went from country to country, 'knocking the noses from Ancient Statues', to desecrate the image of black society, and in every sector, he promoted himself with some vain hero like stature in "his record of His-story".
The saddest things is the white man did not choose to become creative in pursuit to better mankind, but to seek some means to have control over other mankind. This is why he has sough to turn any creation into weaponry. and the acts of acquisition, drives a conflict where man needs weapons... because he did not engage in fair play exchange, and fair play dealing with other man.
Many times, its not what is said within historical documentations, its about what is unsaid and left out, that one must consider to consider. Then truths, begin to unfold. The "general script of "white mans (history) His-story" is he is made to be a hero, regardless of the odds or the challenges, and he omits all the others who were instrumental in phases and changes of history and the evolution of developments.
He did not create the system of Governance, that was long ago devised among Tribal communities, and then adopted by the Egyptians and then later the Greek and Romans... and on to the Europeans of various cultural groups.
But... such story he will not promote nor make known to the generalized student in the common system of his system of what school promotes.
At no time in the past history could nor did the white man have a period of compassion that could match with that of black people, nor does he or did he have the mentality of tolerance that black people managed, even under the brutalities of slavery. They prayed for themselves, but they prayed for the white man to learn some civility, as much as they prayed for themselves to be delivered from under his inhumanity.
It was MLK at the point when it brought society of white men, to come to respect the constitution for what it speaks and what is stands for in Civil Equality. Otherwise white man would have continued his madness of bias, racism and incivility of inhumane conduct upon and against people who were non white. As MLK said... the March of Civil Rights was a saving grace for the Soul of America, to honor its own Constitution among all mankind.
If there is a situation where black people are emulating white people.. its within the "killings", "the street violence", "the gang culture and the acts and antics of gangs, which is a direct model and emulation of white European cultured gangs from the historical European societies, who brought it to America and promoted it in the early era's of American Gangster and Racist Violence conduct and activities. It is not historical as a standard in black culture, not during slavery, and not in the early stages post slavery. It became to be from and by: "blacks learning these methods from whites, who saturated the city environments with the likes of street gangs, mob gangs, and criminal gangs of all sorts, houses of prostitution, drugs, alcohol and every such thing, was commonality in white society, even during the early stages when blacks were enslaved through out the centuries of slavery. So... such things were of "white origin", and trying today to blame it on blacks is an atrocity of absurdity of white man trying to deny his own historical creations of vile and madness, murder and mayhem, crime and abuse of any and every sort.
Example: Even in the early days of Compton in the 20th Century... Gangs of blacks were formed to protect themselves from the White's who formed gangs to attack individual blacks. Thus so, Black gangs formed to protect each other from individual attracts from whites, because the white gangs would not readily attack a group of blacks, in the same ways they would attack individual blacks.
The same was true across the nation in the major metro's or any populated areas or industrial sectors...gangs and mob culture, and crime of every sort, killings and other brutalities of rape, prostitution and etc, was there and functioning long before black people were freed from the bondage of slavery.
Our black people who are members of gangs and such must learn... that is the role of "acting white"... and when they understand that, they can return to their natural roots of cultural manner. Which is based on unity, communication, charity among mankind, helpfulness and all the traits that were of the origins of Tribal cultures their ancestry hailed from.
There was no Poverty in Africa before white man arrived and engaged his encroaching, and taking abusive acts upon and against the people, buy forces driven from the power of the "gun". Even blacks who captured other blacks among Tribal warfare, they may have indentured in a form of enslavement of other tribe members, but they could assimilate into the Tribe and become a part of the tribe. As they demonstrated their unification with the Tribe, they were free to engage in the society as Tribes people. Over time many Tribe developed cultures that became a blend of various Tribal melding.
but these are things that "white man's history will never convey" as he has no benefit to record it based on his white man ideological self interest objectives.
He went throughout Africa, attacking and destroying elements of history, and with the power of the gun, he set aim to disrupt any and every aspect of African historical tradition. He first sent in his "missionaries", pushing the image of a White Concept of God, in the contorted view of Christianity that he promoted. He used any and every means to play on the vanity and infect the leaderships with aims of greed and vain hoarding, by introducing weapons for tribes to use against each other, and using the people to turn over precious metals and jewels to get those weapons... which led to many abuses, and thus it was easier for him to use material matter to entice the leaders to indulge his brand of Christianity. He put emphasis on Precious Metals and Jewels, as the currency necessary to gain weapons... and thus began a cycle, that has led to many atrocities of many types over many centuries. Thus distorting and blurring the true nature and culture of the historical African Culture and systems of Tribal societies.
That was the True Raping of Africa.... The slave trade was a by product of the Cultural Rape of Africa.
Evil always seek out what can tempt man... that has been the process of evil for the span of mankind. No man is void of being corrupted, lest he gives himself to honor the truths of God and absorbs himself in the belief and faith to build unity with Gods people, and thus he has strength in numbers to help him ward off the evils that man uses upon and against man to entice man to engage in evil.
That was the True Raping of Africa... was set in motion through and by the promotion of Missionaries, who set out not to promote God for the sake of God, but to make way for white mans aims to gain the things of vanity, by the drive of greed to acquire such things. In such a quest, nothing was made of any higher value than what his vanity and greed pursued.
There is much the 'white man's history will not tell'. But there are traces of history even in what he tried to destroy.
he went from country to country, 'knocking the noses from Ancient Statues', to desecrate the image of black society, and in every sector, he promoted himself with some vain hero like stature in "his record of His-story".
The saddest things is the white man did not choose to become creative in pursuit to better mankind, but to seek some means to have control over other mankind. This is why he has sough to turn any creation into weaponry. and the acts of acquisition, drives a conflict where man needs weapons... because he did not engage in fair play exchange, and fair play dealing with other man.
Many times, its not what is said within historical documentations, its about what is unsaid and left out, that one must consider to consider. Then truths, begin to unfold. The "general script of "white mans (history) His-story" is he is made to be a hero, regardless of the odds or the challenges, and he omits all the others who were instrumental in phases and changes of history and the evolution of developments.
He did not create the system of Governance, that was long ago devised among Tribal communities, and then adopted by the Egyptians and then later the Greek and Romans... and on to the Europeans of various cultural groups.
But... such story he will not promote nor make known to the generalized student in the common system of his system of what school promotes.
At no time in the past history could nor did the white man have a period of compassion that could match with that of black people, nor does he or did he have the mentality of tolerance that black people managed, even under the brutalities of slavery. They prayed for themselves, but they prayed for the white man to learn some civility, as much as they prayed for themselves to be delivered from under his inhumanity.
It was MLK at the point when it brought society of white men, to come to respect the constitution for what it speaks and what is stands for in Civil Equality. Otherwise white man would have continued his madness of bias, racism and incivility of inhumane conduct upon and against people who were non white. As MLK said... the March of Civil Rights was a saving grace for the Soul of America, to honor its own Constitution among all mankind.
Each individual should seek to learn more of what is the long and un-discussed history within America, as well as, history from around the world.
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Wow! That was an amazing analysis of the racial issue from a black person's perspective. Now, let's examine the facts objectively, not subjectively.
The error in reasoning is a common error. It's called historical bias. We must judge history in its context of values and expectations of the time. In other words, the norms.
Slavery in America can trace its roots back to the Mayflower when the Quakers and Puritans brought slaves with them. During the time, Early 1600's, slavery and slave trade was a common practice throughout the world.
So, yes, white people did buy and sell Africans on the open market as slaves. Africans sold their people and the white people bought them. That is historically correct. But white people are not the only "sinners" here. There's plenty of blame to go around. But what good is blame? Does it work toward our common goal of____?Posted 07-30-2018 at 09:30 PM by lau.megumi
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You definitely have an extremely prejudiced view of white people. White men have never matched the compassion of black men? What an outlandish, ridiculous comment.
You need to get your nose in the New Testament and start walking in the way of Jesus, rather than perpetrating the Devil's hateful ways.
After everything my people have done for your people, fighting other whites to end slavery for one, there is still a very high percentage of blacks who can't help but act like violent, hateful racists. Its sad really.Posted 08-02-2018 at 09:44 AM by OhioJB 
