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Old 10-16-2013, 03:14 PM
 
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It is a very educational read. Most westerners are clueless about Tibet's history and the relationship between Dalai Lama, China and western countries but they simply buy everything their government says. Moreover, they even volunteered to be engaged in all those "free Tibet" movement, thinking they are doing a noble deed. But do they really know the truth?

The Truth about Tibet and Dalai Lama. Finland´s Medie Censorship on Da | nsnbc international

For those who are too lazy to read, I summerize some key points/facts below:
  • The Dalai Lama is neither the spiritual leader of Tibet nor does he represent the region. He is the leader of just the Yellow Hat (Gelug) sect of Tibetan Buddhism, which is dominant in Lhasa.
  • Tibet has been an autonomous region ruled by local kings serving Chinese emperors since the 8th century. The duties of the Dalai Lama, as well as the Panchen Lama, were prescribed relatively late by the Chinese rulers for helping them with the administration of the remote region.
  • Prior to 1950s, Tibet had a slavery system. Only about 5 percent of the Tibetans were monks or nuns belonging to the small noble class. The rest were slaves who had to toil to feed the non-productive elite of the population.
  • In 1957, the Chinese leaders decided to end slavery in Tibet. The monasteries, the house of the elites, saw the abolition of slavery as a catastrophe.
  • Since he wanted slavery to continue to maintain his status as a god, the Dalai Lama began spreading rumors that he could be jailed and even executed, which led to an uprising in 1959.
  • Security forces soon brought it under control. It was then that the Dalai Lama fled the country and was “installed” by the British and Americans, who used him as a weapon against Mao.
  • The CIA created the myth of the “father of the nation” fighting for the “freedom” of Tibet
  • Tibet is China’s autonomous region like the Aland Islands are Finland’s (or Scotland is to the United Kingdom). The region has an autonomous government, local laws and regulations, and a governor that is necessarily an ethnic Tibetan.
More Facts:
  • Up to 1959, Tibet could be reached only through some horse-trails. The local economy was in tatters and education was the privilege of the elite.Normal schools were forbidden. Only schools in monasteries that taught religious scriptures were allowed. Worse, the slaves were called “talking cattle” and treated no better than cattle.
  • Today Tibet has a modern railway and airports. There are schools and colleges for everybody in Tibet, and Lhasa even has a modern university.
  • Schools are free for ethnic Tibetans, who comprise 90.48 percent of Tibet’s 3 million population, whereas Han Chinese have to pay for education.
The truth is, Dalai Lama is simply a puppet used by the American/British government for ideological reasons. His resistence to the PRC is more out of resentment due to losing his slaves and God status than "freedom" of Tibet. In fact, it was the 95% Tibetans who received freedom from him, and Tibet hasn't been "free" from China since 8th century, just like Scotland for the UK.
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Old 10-16-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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Well, I am from China so I knew all the stuff you mentioned.

Nowadays, it is just "trendy" to be anti-China. Many ethnic groups within China are seeking more attention too.
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Old 10-16-2013, 05:03 PM
 
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thanks for the info very interesting and informative anybody who follows somebody else for well altruistic ideals should have their heads examined besides that I must say that you are underestimating the man it takes a sharp individual to preach nonsense and look well spartan comes to mind
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Old 10-16-2013, 05:16 PM
 
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It is a very educational read. Most westerners are clueless about Tibet's history and the relationship between Dalai Lama, China and western countries but they simply buy everything their government says. Moreover, they even volunteered to be engaged in all those "free Tibet" movement, thinking they are doing a noble deed. But do they really know the truth?

The Truth about Tibet and Dalai Lama. Finland´s Medie Censorship on Da | nsnbc international






For those who are too lazy to read, I summerize some key points/facts below:
  • The Dalai Lama is neither the spiritual leader of Tibet nor does he represent the region. He is the leader of just the Yellow Hat (Gelug) sect of Tibetan Buddhism, which is dominant in Lhasa.
  • Tibet has been an autonomous region ruled by local kings serving Chinese emperors since the 8th century. The duties of the Dalai Lama, as well as the Panchen Lama, were prescribed relatively late by the Chinese rulers for helping them with the administration of the remote region.
  • Prior to 1950s, Tibet had a slavery system. Only about 5 percent of the Tibetans were monks or nuns belonging to the small noble class. The rest were slaves who had to toil to feed the non-productive elite of the population.
  • In 1957, the Chinese leaders decided to end slavery in Tibet. The monasteries, the house of the elites, saw the abolition of slavery as a catastrophe.
  • Since he wanted slavery to continue to maintain his status as a god, the Dalai Lama began spreading rumors that he could be jailed and even executed, which led to an uprising in 1959.
  • Security forces soon brought it under control. It was then that the Dalai Lama fled the country and was “installed” by the British and Americans, who used him as a weapon against Mao.
  • The CIA created the myth of the “father of the nation” fighting for the “freedom” of Tibet
  • Tibet is China’s autonomous region like the Aland Islands are Finland’s (or Scotland is to the United Kingdom). The region has an autonomous government, local laws and regulations, and a governor that is necessarily an ethnic Tibetan.
More Facts:
  • Up to 1959, Tibet could be reached only through some horse-trails. The local economy was in tatters and education was the privilege of the elite.Normal schools were forbidden. Only schools in monasteries that taught religious scriptures were allowed. Worse, the slaves were called “talking cattle” and treated no better than cattle.
  • Today Tibet has a modern railway and airports. There are schools and colleges for everybody in Tibet, and Lhasa even has a modern university.
  • Schools are free for ethnic Tibetans, who comprise 90.48 percent of Tibet’s 3 million population, whereas Han Chinese have to pay for education.
The truth is, Dalai Lama is simply a puppet used by the American/British government for ideological reasons. His resistence to the PRC is more out of resentment due to losing his slaves and God status than "freedom" of Tibet. In fact, it was the 95% Tibetans who received freedom from him, and Tibet hasn't been "free" from China since 8th century, just like Scotland for the UK.
I was in Tibet in June as part of a China Tour. Your story reflects the version told by the government of China. It is interesting to note that the common people of Tibet want the Chinese out. Why, if they were nearly all slaves? It doesn't add up.
On the other hand, China has invested a huge amount of money in Tibet and has greatly improved the infrastructure. Economically, they are clearly better off. Spiritually, I'm not so sure.
In another generation or two, Tibet will just be one more province of China, without the differences that make it unique today.
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Old 10-16-2013, 05:24 PM
 
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I was in Tibet in June as part of a China Tour. Your story reflects the version told by the government of China. It is interesting to note that the common people of Tibet want the Chinese out. Why, if they were nearly all slaves? It doesn't add up.
On the other hand, China has invested a huge amount of money in Tibet and has greatly improved the infrastructure. Economically, they are clearly better off. Spiritually, I'm not so sure.
In another generation or two, Tibet will just be one more province of China, without the differences that make it unique today.
Chinese people wear western clothes, live in western buildings, and adopt a lot of western ideologies too... All Chinese are forced to learn English as well.
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Old 10-16-2013, 06:47 PM
 
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I was in Tibet in June as part of a China Tour. Your story reflects the version told by the government of China. It is interesting to note that the common people of Tibet want the Chinese out. Why, if they were nearly all slaves? It doesn't add up.
On the other hand, China has invested a huge amount of money in Tibet and has greatly improved the infrastructure. Economically, they are clearly better off. Spiritually, I'm not so sure.
In another generation or two, Tibet will just be one more province of China, without the differences that make it unique today.
didn't I mention slavery was aborted in 1959 and 54 years have passed??

"They want Chinese out", based on what statistics, your conversations? A China tour, probably with a bunch of equally brainwashed white people who were raised to believe the Chinese are evil and Tibet was invaded? that's your best knowledge about China? This is not my version, nor the Chinese version. It is from a Finn.

Spiritually? What exactly does that mean? You mean Dalai Lama gives the Tibetan people anything spiritual? More slavery? If you don't even believe the existence of slavery in Tibet, why not do some of your own research online or read some good books?

It doesn't matter some Tibetans want out - happens in all countries, Quebec, Scotland, Wallonia, Catalonia, Basque, does it mean all these countries should be broken up? Tibet has been a part of China for longer than Quebec, Scotland etc belong to their respective countries, who are you do say what should succeed? Why not respect history, facts, rather than your own bias?
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:15 PM
 
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Why is Tibet not on the UN's list of non-self governing territories? Why is the Falkland Islands labeled a British "colony" when they are British by choice (99% in a 2013 referendum) but yet Tibet's situation - under Chinese occupation - is apparently ok?

Why are the people of Tibet denied the right to self determination?
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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didn't I mention slavery was aborted in 1959 and 54 years have passed??

"They want Chinese out", based on what statistics, your conversations?A China tour, probably with a bunch of equally brainwashed white people who were raised to believe the Chinese are evil and Tibet was invaded? that's your best knowledge about China? This is not my version, nor the Chinese version. It is from a Finn. Apparently, he knows everything???

Spiritually? What exactly does that mean? You mean Dalai Lama gives the Tibetan people anything spiritual? More slavery? If you don't even believe the existence of slavery in Tibet, why not do some of your own research online or read some good books?

It doesn't matter some Tibetans want out - It might matter to them!!!
happens in all countries, Quebec, Scotland, Wallonia, Catalonia, Basque, does it mean all these countries should be broken up? Tibet has been a part of China for longer than Quebec, Scotland etc belong to their respective countries, who are you do say what should succeed? Why not respect history, facts, rather than your own bias?
Well, you sure have your panties in a bunch over it Chairman! If it's all as great as you say, why aren't the Tibetans as happy about it as you are? Get a life!!!
BTW: Have you ever been to Tibet? Doubtful. I was in Kathmandu in 1978, when they were scared to death that they were next in line for "liberation".

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Old 10-17-2013, 12:33 AM
 
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I know Dalai Lama as a spiritual leader. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 10-17-2013, 08:05 AM
 
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Sounds like Chinese propaganda bs.
What's coming next

What do you call this at 3:00
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