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Not all Christians think that the stories in the Bible were historical. So your assumption is false. I assume that is what you mean by "Bible as Fact".
By the way, you are not going to get much insight in the Atheist forum on your question. All they seem to understand (or care about) is the fundamentalist/literalist view of the Bible. So their view of Christianity is extremely limited. Anything outside of fundamentalism, a small aspect of Christianity, is outside of their interest.
Look, here's one of the biggest problems in christianity: that christians can't even agree on what may be the most basic premise of their religion: whether the bible is historical fact or allegorical. Not to mention whether the bible is the actual word of god, or man's version of what god wants.
So christians can't even figure out their own religion, but they feel it is their mission to spread that confusion to others.
Not all Christians think that the stories in the Bible were historical. So your assumption is false. I assume that is what you mean by "Bible as Fact".
By the way, you are not going to get much insight in the Atheist forum on your question. All they seem to understand (or care about) is the fundamentalist/literalist view of the Bible. So their view of Christianity is extremely limited. Anything outside of fundamentalism, a small aspect of Christianity, is outside of their interest.
I'm sure that Einhander (I recommend changing hands sometimes) is aware that not all Christians believe that everything in the Bible is Historically accurate. As the Great Man said, "You can't fool all of the people all of the time" (though you can apparently fool most of the people most of the time, and that's plenty enough to get elected) but I would imagine a lot of them do, and probably even very light -handed Christians probably believe the substance of the Gospels to be reliable.
But then, a large number of atheists and Bible -skeptics probably regard an astonishing about of what Jesus is supposed to have said as accurate reporting, just needing a bit of Interpretation Whereas i don't believe ANY of it. But I do believe that about a Third of what Jesus is supposed to have done, he did. As a rough guide, old Ozz, take I Bible, 1 shark knife or scissors (1) and 1 waste bin or basket.
Remove and bin any account not reported by all 4 Evangelists. What remains is at least potentially historical.
(1) unaccountably, the US thinks that you just have 1 scissors, whereas it is obviously a Pair of scissors bolted together.
I'm sure that Einhander (I recommend changing hands sometimes) is aware that not all Christians believe that everything in the Bible is Historically accurate. As the Great Man said, "You can't fool all of the people all of the time" (though you can apparently fool most of the people most of the time, and that's plenty enough to get elected) but I would imagine a lot of them do, and probably even very light -handed Christians probably believe the substance of the Gospels to be reliable.
But then, a large number of atheists and Bible -skeptics probably regard an astonishing about of what Jesus is supposed to have said as accurate reporting, just needing a bit of Interpretation Whereas i don't believe ANY of it. But I do believe that about a Third of what Jesus is supposed to have done, he did. As a rough guide, old Ozz, take I Bible, 1 shark knife or scissors (1) and 1 waste bin or basket.
Remove and bin any account not reported by all 4 Evangelists. What remains is at least potentially historical.
(1) unaccountably, the US thinks that you just have 1 scissors, whereas it is obviously a Pair of scissors bolted together.
Schere, singular. Same with trousers and what you call spectacles, in German they are also singular.
Not all Christians think that the stories in the Bible were historical. So your assumption is false. I assume that is what you mean by "Bible as Fact".
By the way, you are not going to get much insight in the Atheist forum on your question. All they seem to understand (or care about) is the fundamentalist/literalist view of the Bible. So their view of Christianity is extremely limited. Anything outside of fundamentalism, a small aspect of Christianity, is outside of their interest.
Nope. It’s just that most of us have no quarrel with people who believe in god but don’t condemn others for failing to live up to Bronze Age strictures. Quite a few of us in fact are very interested in religious history, including biblical archaeology.
By the way, you are not going to get much insight in the Atheist forum on your question. All they seem to understand (or care about) is the fundamentalist/literalist view of the Bible. So their view of Christianity is extremely limited. Anything outside of fundamentalism, a small aspect of Christianity, is outside of their interest.
Except for the FACT that many of us...probably even most of us...were brought up christian and were christian for at least part of our adult lives.
Schere, singular. Same with trousers and what you call spectacles, in German they are also singular.
Now you can play the insulted sausage.
I would never presume to take arms against a sea of sausages. Just that US usage of "a scissors" (note the unvoiced implication of two scissors, not one scissor) struck me as Odd. I believe they got it right with spectacles, no A spectacles.
And now back to Christians...and their spectacles. Rose coloured.
Look, here's one of the biggest problems in christianity: that christians can't even agree on what may be the most basic premise of their religion: whether the bible is historical fact or allegorical. Not to mention whether the bible is the actual word of god, or man's version of what god wants.
So christians can't even figure out their own religion, but they feel it is their mission to spread that confusion to others.
That's really not the problem you think it is. There are many churches who are just fine without any of the fundamentalist aspects. They have absolutely no problem with other major religious traditions either. It's as if atheists have never even heard of interfaith fellowship. These liberal Christians know that the Bible was written by religious people, rather than by "God". So you can't attempt to lump them all together as "Christians" as I'm sure many atheists make the mistake of doing.
It's really a kind of self-delusion by the atheists. They create an imaginary world with imaginary people going to imaginary churches. But as long as all of the atheists are in agreement about this world, then to them it is a real place. Very much like the imaginary worlds of the various religious fundamentalists.
That's really not the problem you think it is. There are many churches who are just fine without any of the fundamentalist aspects. They have absolutely no problem with other major religious traditions either. It's as if atheists have never even heard of interfaith fellowship. These liberal Christians know that the Bible was written by religious people, rather than by "God". So you can't attempt to lump them all together as "Christians" as I'm sure many atheists make the mistake of doing.
It's really a kind of self-delusion by the atheists. They create an imaginary world with imaginary people going to imaginary churches. But as long as all of the atheists are in agreement about this world, then to them it is a real place. Very much like the imaginary worlds of the various religious fundamentalists.
Do you see what you do? And this is what you always do despite your protestations. You look at a post from the christian perspective.
I'm talking about how christianity looks from the perspective of a non-believer.
It's sad that you can't see that there's a difference.
I just don't get it. I can see how you're open minded though and have some hope. But why do people take the Bible as Fact? Where is the proof? I have asked this question many times. And I never get a pure answer. Instead I just get the run around. I don't like run arounds.
This is almost 2019... I just don't get it.
I believe in a creator because it’s the only logical possibility to how the universe began.
I’m a Christian because the basic premise makes sense to me, that man is flawed and God reached down to redeem him.
Do you see what you do? And this is what you always do despite your protestations. You look at a post from the christian perspective.
I'm talking about how christianity looks from the perspective of a non-believer.
It's sad that you can't see that there's a difference.
That's not accurate at all. It's not even accurate to say "Christian perspective" because there you go again lumping all churches into one group.
You also said earlier that all of them have a "mission" to convert people. That's another huge mistake. Many, possibly most, don't even care about what other people believe. They just follow it for their own purposes. Even some of the more literalist believers, which is something I really don't understand but I know they exist.
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Whereas i don't believe ANY of it. But I do believe that about a Third of what Jesus is supposed to have done, he did. As a rough guide, old Ozz, take I Bible, 1 shark knife or scissors (1) and 1 waste bin or basket.
