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Raleigh-Durham Int'l (RDU) was named the best-connected, medium-size airport in the country with 67 nonstops to major cities with none being little regional Southeast Airports
A 7th international non-stop was recently announced, joining Heathrow and Charles de Gaulle and a few closer to the U.S.
Ptortland, OR is the only West Coast region without daily non-stops to Raleigh-Durham.
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Delta is the biggest carrier at RDU and offers many direct flights to other cities that don't come through ATL at all.
I STILL SUPPORT a SMALL,2nd airport on the North side, with some domesticFLIGHT
Raleigh-Durham Int'l (RDU) was named the best-connected, medium-size airport in the country with 67 nonstops to major cities with none being little regional Southeast Airports
A 7th international non-stop was recently announced, joining Heathrow and Charles de Gaulle and a few closer to the U.S.
Ptortland, OR is the only West Coast region without daily non-stops to Raleigh-Durham.
a Delta is the biggest carrier at RDU and offers many direct flights to other cities that don't come through ATL at all.
I STILL SUPPORT a SMALL,2nd airport on the North side, with some domestic FLIGHT
So is Delta expanding in Charlotte over Atlanta? Is it seeing Charlotte as a second hub more if its Atlanta relationship has been a bit tarnished?
It reasons this Hartsfield loss to O'Hare WAS NOT suppose to happen. Yes its in just departures and arrivals and not passengers. But the FAA still moves the title of "world's busiest airport" to O'Hare.
Also a second airport from scratch for Atlanta .... takes many years from planning YET to finished. Expanding Hartsfield still doesn't point to a second airport in the cards anytime soon?
The FAA HAS MOVED "BUSIEST" title to Chicago's O'Hare. As I noted too..... Atlanta was to KEEP WINNING in a much newer airport over O'Hare. But O'Hare clearly sees the Competition's on..... and O'Hare still has its 8.5-billion expansion to begin with finally another runway after its surrounding neighborhoods fought it for years.
FAA: Chicago's O'Hare Airport Busiest in US in 2018
From this link:
- The record passenger numbers also for Chicago airports -- are a result of more international travel largely from new routes added at O’Hare. More than 50 new domestic and international cities in total were added at both airports in 2018, including global destinations such as Bogota, New Zealand, and Ethiopia.
Also .... O'Hare has nonstop flights to 64 destinations, many of which with multiple flights (there are over 120 international non-stop departures per day). Of those 64, 33 are outside of the Americas. O'Hare serves 24 European cities also.
Of course, this O'Hare win could change next year? But as a previous poster in the start of this thread noted.... Hartsfield had this subtle decline a few years now and if that continued ..... it could lose the title. It happened over the year.
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Originally Posted by AnsleyPark
I noticed that Atlanta's passenger traffic declined 0.3% year-over-year, while the other top ten airports increased their passenger traffic. A related article predicts that if the trend continues, Atlanta will soon fall out of first place.
So do locals think Atlanta will reclaim the official title next year? The FAA still places arrivals and departures counts as -- what denotes this official title.
* Here are the five finalist designs competing for O’Hare Airport’s massive $8.5B expansion. One will win.
So is Delta expanding in Charlotte over Atlanta? Is it seeing Charlotte as a second hub more if its Atlanta relationship has been a bit tarnished?
It reasons this Hartsfield loss to O'Hare WAS NOT suppose to happen. Yes its in just departures and arrivals and not passengers. But the FAA still moves the title of "world's busiest airport" to O'Hare.
Also a second airport from scratch for Atlanta .... takes many years from planning YET to finished. Expanding Hartsfield still doesn't point to a second airport in the cards anytime soon?
The FAA HAS MOVED "BUSIEST" title to Chicago's O'Hare. As I noted too..... Atlanta was to KEEP WINNING in a much newer airport over O'Hare. But O'Hare clearly sees the Competition's on..... and O'Hare still has its 8.5-billion expansion to begin with finally another runway after its surrounding neighborhoods fought it for years.
FAA: Chicago's O'Hare Airport Busiest in US in 2018
From this link:
- The record passenger numbers also for Chicago airports -- are a result of more international travel largely from new routes added at O’Hare. More than 50 new domestic and international cities in total were added at both airports in 2018, including global destinations such as Bogota, New Zealand, and Ethiopia.
Of course, this could change next year? But as a previous poster in the start of this thread noted.... Hartsfield had this subtle decline a few years now and if that continued ..... it could lose the title. It happened over the year.
So do locals think Atlanta will reclaim the official title next year? The FAA still places arrivals and departures counts as -- what denotes this official title.
The premise of this threads creation last April ... was NOT with this loss possibly on the horizon.
The premise of this thread was based on the count of the number of passengers who passed through the Atlanta Airport in 2017 (just under 104 million passengers), which was the 20th consecutive year that Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport experienced more passengers passing through its facility than any other airport on the entire planet.
The premise of this thread was not based on the number of aircraft movements as cited by the FAA and as cited in the US News & World Report article you posted... An article which did not mention the international airport passenger counts category which Hartsfield-Jackson Airport has dominated since about 1998.
ACI (Airports Council International) is the organization which has recognized Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport as the world's busiest airport since 1998 based on the number of passengers who pass through the facility on an annual basis.
ACI has three categories that it uses to measure airport traffic: Aircraft movements, Cargo, and Passenger counts.
As noted above, Hartsfield-Jackson has led all airports in passenger traffic since 1998, though Hartsfield-Jackson and Chicago O'Hare were roughly tied for the lead in that category from 1998 until about 2003, after which point Hartsfield-Jackson has been alone in the lead spot ever since.
Hartsfield-Jackson has also dominated in the Aircraft movements category, though because of its very central location in relation to much of the rest of the North American continent (in addition to Chicago's continued importance as a major business and convention hub), O'Hare has continued to often spend much time leading that category even after Hartsfield-Jackson tied O'Hare for the lead in passenger traffic in 1998 and even after Hartsfield-Jackson took over sole possession of first place in the passenger traffic category circa 2003-2004.
But as noted in the AJC article that you linked to in an earlier post, preliminary figures appear to show that Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport is more than likely to again be recognized as having the most passenger traffic pass through its facility on an annual basis for the 21st consecutive time during the 2018 calendar year.
Hartsfield-Jackson said its preliminary figures show it handled nearly 107.4 million passengers in 2018, up 3.33 percent from 2017.
Chicago O'Hare can lay claim to being the world's busiest airport in terms of aircraft movements.
But Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport most likely will continue to be able to lay claim to being the world's busiest airport in terms of passenger traffic as it has since 1998.
… Which passenger traffic is what Hartsfield-Jackson has largely based its claim on being the world's busiest airport on for the last 20 or so years anyways, particularly since both Hartsfield-Jackson and O'Hare seem to take turns being the world leader in aircraft movements every few years.
The premise of this thread was based on the count of the number of passengers who passed through the Atlanta Airport in 2017 (just under 104 million passengers), which was the 20th consecutive year that Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport experienced more passengers passing through its facility than any other airport on the entire planet.
The premise of this thread was not based on the number of aircraft movements as cited by the FAA and as cited in the US News & World Report article you posted... An article which did not mention the international airport passenger counts category which Hartsfield-Jackson Airport has dominated since about 1998.
ACI (Airports Council International) is the organization which has recognized Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport as the world's busiest airport since 1998 based on the number of passengers who pass through the facility on an annual basis.
ACI has three categories that it uses to measure airport traffic: Aircraft movements, Cargo, and Passenger counts.
As noted above, Hartsfield-Jackson has led all airports in passenger traffic since 1998, though Hartsfield-Jackson and Chicago O'Hare were roughly tied for the lead in that category from 1998 until about 2003, after which point Hartsfield-Jackson has been alone in the lead spot ever since.
Hartsfield-Jackson has also dominated in the Aircraft movements category, though because of its very central location in relation to much of the rest of the North American continent (in addition to Chicago's continued importance as a major business and convention hub), O'Hare has continued to often spend much time leading that category even after Hartsfield-Jackson tied O'Hare for the lead in passenger traffic in 1998 and even after Hartsfield-Jackson took over sole possession of first place in the passenger traffic category circa 2003-2004.
But as noted in the AJC article that you linked to in an earlier post, preliminary figures appear to show that Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport is more than likely to again be recognized as having the most passenger traffic pass through its facility on an annual basis for the 21st consecutive time during the 2018 calendar year.
Chicago O'Hare can lay claim to being the world's busiest airport in terms of aircraft movements.
But Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport most likely will continue to be able to lay claim to being the world's busiest airport in terms of passenger traffic as it has since 1998.
… Which passenger traffic is what Hartsfield-Jackson has largely based its claim on being the world's busiest airport on for the last 20 or so years anyways, particularly since both Hartsfield-Jackson and O'Hare seem to take turns being the world leader in aircraft movements every few years.
Again, read what the FAA uses for World's busiest.
You never addressed Hartsfield's drop in arrivals and departures as the second poster last April claimed this Loss was at hand.
20-years is yes passengers. But a year ago Hartsfield had the title "Busiest" in total fights too. Now it does not.
Title -- O'Hare is once again the nation's busiest airport in terms of total flights
From this MSN link:
- O’Hare also had a big year for air cargo flown through Chicago, with about 1.87 metric tonnes, a 5.7 percent rise over the previous record set in 2017.
So that is a nice rise too. Other links call this as -- the FAA declares O'Hare the Busiest airport"
But apparently it was Atlanta's to lose. Got to be reasons for declines? But yes passenger count did not decline and O'Hare will not beat in passengers --- yet. But no one predicts it will soon. But some do see the win in total fights a surprise ....
From this MSN link:
- O’Hare also had a big year for air cargo flown through Chicago, with about 1.87 metric tonnes, a 5.7 percent rise over the previous record set in 2017.
So that is a nice rise too. Other links call this as -- the FAA declares O'Hare the Busiest airport"
But apparently it was Atlanta's to lose. Got to be reasons for declines? But yes passenger count did not decline and O'Hare will not beat in passengers --- yet. But no one predicts it will soon. But some do see the win in total fights a surprise ....
The FAA's measurement of airport traffic (arriving and departing aircraft movements) is not the only measurement of airport traffic that is used to determine how busy individual airports are on an annual basis.
As noted in my post above, ACI (Airports Council International) also uses the measurements of Cargo and Passenger counts to determine how busy individual airports are on an annual basis.
This is only the second time since 2004 that Chicago O'Hare has been the world leader in aircraft movements (O'Hare also topped the list in 2014).
But O'Hare's rise to the top of the aircraft movements list still is not surprising considering that O'Hare has held the second spot on the list in each of the 12 of 13 years that it has not been first since falling out of the top spot in 2005... A top spot which O'Hare had consistently held each year for many years through 2004.
(O'Hare had topped the annual list of aircraft movements for many years until it was overtaken by Hartsfield-Jackson in 2005... O'Hare also was the sole occupant of first place atop the annual list of passenger counts for many years until it was overtaken by Hartsfield-Jackson in 1998.)
Though, even with O'Hare laying claim to being the world's busiest airport in terms of aircraft movements, Hartsfield-Jackson can still lay claim to being the world's busiest airport in terms of passenger traffic.
Effectively, it is a tie like it was from 1998-2004 (when Hartsfield-Jackson had the most passenger traffic and O'Hare had the most aircraft movements), with both O'Hare and Hartsfield-Jackson being able to lay claim to having the title of "the world's busiest airport."
The premise of this thread was based on the count of the number of passengers who passed through the Atlanta Airport in 2017 (just under 104 million passengers), which was the 20th consecutive year that Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport experienced more passengers passing through its facility than any other airport on the entire planet.
The premise of this thread was not based on the number of aircraft movements as cited by the FAA and as cited in the US News & World Report article you posted... An article which did not mention the international airport passenger counts category which Hartsfield-Jackson Airport has dominated since about 1998.
ACI (Airports Council International) is the organization which has recognized Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport as the world's busiest airport since 1998 based on the number of passengers who pass through the facility on an annual basis.
ACI has three categories that it uses to measure airport traffic: Aircraft movements, Cargo, and Passenger counts.
As noted above, Hartsfield-Jackson has led all airports in passenger traffic since 1998, though Hartsfield-Jackson and Chicago O'Hare were roughly tied for the lead in that category from 1998 until about 2003, after which point Hartsfield-Jackson has been alone in the lead spot ever since.
Hartsfield-Jackson has also dominated in the Aircraft movements category, though because of its very central location in relation to much of the rest of the North American continent (in addition to Chicago's continued importance as a major business and convention hub), O'Hare has continued to often spend much time leading that category even after Hartsfield-Jackson tied O'Hare for the lead in passenger traffic in 1998 and even after Hartsfield-Jackson took over sole possession of first place in the passenger traffic category circa 2003-2004.
But as noted in the AJC article that you linked to in an earlier post, preliminary figures appear to show that Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport is more than likely to again be recognized as having the most passenger traffic pass through its facility on an annual basis for the 21st consecutive time during the 2018 calendar year.
Chicago O'Hare can lay claim to being the world's busiest airport in terms of aircraft movements.
But Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport most likely will continue to be able to lay claim to being the world's busiest airport in terms of passenger traffic as it has since 1998.
… Which passenger traffic is what Hartsfield-Jackson has largely based its claim on being the world's busiest airport on for the last 20 or so years anyways, particularly since both Hartsfield-Jackson and O'Hare seem to take turns being the world leader in aircraft movements every few years.
Per usual, your posts are so full of great information and you really break down what you are trying to explain. Kudos It won't let me rep you again
The FAA's measurement of airport traffic (arriving and departing aircraft movements) is not the only measurement of airport traffic that is used to determine how busy individual airports are on an annual basis.
As noted in my post above, ACI (Airports Council International) also uses the measurements of Cargo and Passenger counts to determine how busy individual airports are on an annual basis.
This is only the second time since 2004 that Chicago O'Hare has been the world leader in aircraft movements (O'Hare also topped the list in 2014).
But O'Hare's rise to the top of the aircraft movements list still is not surprising considering that O'Hare has held the second spot on the list in each of the 12 of 13 years that it has not been first since falling out of the top spot in 2005... A top spot which O'Hare had consistently held each year for many years through 2004.
(O'Hare had topped the annual list of aircraft movements for many years until it was overtaken by Hartsfield-Jackson in 2005... O'Hare also was the sole occupant of first place atop the annual list of passenger counts for many years until it was overtaken by Hartsfield-Jackson in 1998.)
Though, even with O'Hare laying claim to being the world's busiest airport in terms of aircraft movements, Hartsfield-Jackson can still lay claim to being the world's busiest airport in terms of passenger traffic.
Effectively, it is a tie like it was from 1998-2004 (when Hartsfield-Jackson had the most passenger traffic and O'Hare had the most aircraft movements), with both O'Hare and Hartsfield-Jackson being able to lay claim to having the title of "the world's busiest airport."
I said also a shared title and go by links using the FAA for the title. I also said it could lose it for the next year's count which would be 2019. I noted a post highlighting Hartsfield was trending down a few years in
the second post of your thread..... it turned out true. Clearly (NOT in passenger counts to be clear) but in this landings and departures count still very relevant to the FAA.
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Originally Posted by AnsleyPark
I noticed that Atlanta's passenger traffic declined 0.3% year-over-year, while the other top ten airports increased their passenger traffic. A related article predicts that if the trend continues, Atlanta will soon fall out of first place.
No one doubts Hartsfield strengths and future still with land and room to grow. O'Hare lacks that but is getting much needed improvements to better flow its overworked size.
O'Hare also remains relevant for;
- its Central Nation location also.
- the city it is in and hub of the Midwest.
- less likely to have the competition of newer fast-growing cities in its region as Hartsfield even has Charlotte growth by Delta too.
This growth for O'Hare to gain was Hartsfield's to loose. The competition is on .... with O'Hare allowed to get some growth finally in a runway to come, having 6-currenrly. That will only help its chances to come.
Hartsfield will NOT anytime soon. Run out of expansion needs.
Your thread was to boast for Atlanta. Nothing wrong with that and in its own forum. But THIS LATEST NEWS still was NOT TO BE .... for the newer hub and airport of the Southeast and claims of being THEE International Hub of the Nation.
As I said once in a thread .... months ago. I see it as Ridiculous, that Northeast airports have connecting flights to go due west .... to Atlanta and even Charlotte. You more then triple your flight time in the air and added time waiting for the next flight and transferring too.
So I refuse to do that nonsense. I already did transfer going to Chicago -- Baltimore to NYC to Chi. Harrisburg to Pittsburgh to Chi, and one of them thru Detroit. No issues but less out of the way too. I do ONLY Straight thru flights now. No way am I going 1000-miles south to go 900-miles west.
But for any flight from the Northeast going west of the Mississippi. O'Hare is on its way for transfers. The discount airlines use Midway and I've used it too. Miss when Frontier airlines flew direct to Midway from Harrisburg non-stop (closest larger airport by me).... much cheaper then the BiG guys. Now I use Baltimore a more distant by one interstate drive though. Cheap parking for cars too and get cheaper non-stop flights anytime.
Atlanta is fine for international incoming flight transfers. I just do not see it as attractive at all to use for Northern or Midwest cities ....for most US transfers.
As for a second Atlanta Airport? If growth denotes the need? Sure. But seems Delta has no interest and clearly sees Charlotte as a growing second hub.
But anyway. The future is still bright for Hartsfield. Just O'Hare isn't saying we can't compete by our limited size. It apparently says -- Game on. But so is Charlotte, Nashville to Florida airports in this completion game too.
If the FAA did not release their data and results .... Links in many publications would not be noting this O'Hare news. Nr would I have reopened the thread.
I said also a shared title and go by links using the FAA for the title. I also said it could lose it for the next year's count which would be 2019. I noted a post highlighting Hartsfield was trending down a few years in
the second post of your thread..... it turned out true. Clearly (NOT in passenger counts to be clear) but in this landings and departures count still very relevant to the FAA.
That second post of this thread was talking about the 0.3% decline in passenger traffic between the 2016 and 2017 calendar years.
As I highlighted from the AJC article that you linked to earlier, the preliminary numbers appear to indicate that Hartsfield-Jackson annual passenger traffic GREW by 3.33 percent to 107.4 million passengers between the 2017 and the 2018 calendar years.
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Hartsfield-Jackson said its preliminary figures show it handled nearly 107.4 million passengers in 2018, up 3.33 percent from 2017.
The official 2018 passenger traffic numbers will be released by ACI (Airports Council International) later this year.
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Originally Posted by DavePa
No one doubts Hartsfield strengths and future still with land and room to grow. O'Hare lacks that but is getting much needed improvements to better flow its overworked size.
O'Hare also remains relevant for;
- its Central Nation location also.
- the city it is in and hub of the Midwest.
- less likely to have the competition of newer fast-growing cities in its region as Hartsfield even has Charlotte growth by Delta too.
Yep... I also noted in an earlier post about O'Hare's very central location in relation to the rest of the North American continent and Chicago's importance as a major business hub as reasons why O'Hare continues to be one of the busiest airports on the planet...
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Originally Posted by Born 2 Roll
though because of its very central location in relation to much of the rest of the North American continent (in addition to Chicago's continued importance as a major business and convention hub), O'Hare has continued to often spend much time leading that category even after Hartsfield-Jackson tied O'Hare for the lead in passenger traffic in 1998 and even after Hartsfield-Jackson took over sole possession of first place in the passenger traffic category circa 2003-2004.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DavePa
This growth for O'Hare to gain was Hartsfield's to loose. The competition is on .... with O'Hare allowed to get some growth finally in a runway to come, having 6-currenrly. That will only help its chances to come.
Hartsfield will NOT anytime soon. Run out of expansion needs.
Your thread was to boast for Atlanta. Nothing wrong with that and in its own forum. But THIS LATEST NEWS still was NOT TO BE .... for the newer hub and airport of the Southeast and claims of being THEE International Hub of the Nation.
Chicago O'Hare Airport gets a big congratulations for being the busiest airport on the planet in the important category of aircraft operations.
But Hartsfield-Jackson is still the world's busiest airport in the world in the very important category of passenger traffic counts.
The news that O'Hare has taken over the top spot in aircraft operations in no way diminishes the continued importance of Hartsfield-Jackson as an international air hub that still serves more passengers than any other individual airport on the entire planet.
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Originally Posted by DavePa
If the FAA did not release their data and results .... Links in many publications would not be noting this O'Hare news. Nr would I have reopened the thread.
That is a good point that many news outlets would not be reporting this news had the FAA not released this data.
But as I noted before, the FAA's counts of aircraft operations (flight takeoffs and landings) is not the only category used to measure how busy each individual airports are.
ACI's passenger traffic category also is a very important and widely recognized statistic that is used to measure the amount of activity at each individual airport.
So here is a question that kind of sparked my mind.
Let's say that air traffic in Hartsfield Jackson were continuously increasing. Would there come a point if this trend were present today, that Hartsfield Jackson may outgrow its capacity and if so, how would that be addressed?
I was at first thinking another Airport but I dont believe Delta wants that.
There is a lot of back and forth going on here & it's interesting to note the details in the discussion & points of view. As has been mentioned here already, this is not the first time in fairly recent history that Chicago O'Hare has captured the "world's busiest" label in terms of the number of flight operations, and as happened the last time it took that title, there was much back and forth between Atlanta & Chicago civic boosters on the same flight operations & passenger volume points. What the final data will say, which is yet to be finalized apparently, much less what the data of next year reveal, well...who can say?
However, given my memory of how the title of the "World's Busiest Airport" was popularly described & awarded for many years, what's now going on is akin to a case of the goal posts being moved in view of how the FLIGHT OPERATIONS aspect is now so heavily ballyhooed & promoted by boosters of O'Hare.
Supporting my goal posts analogy is the fact that during my youth in the Midwest, we of that general region often took a measure of pride in the accomplishments of our largest regional city which was truly a powerhouse on a national level, i.e. Chicago. In those days, Chicago's O'Hare took the title of "World's Busiest Airport" and held onto it for many years. But, back then there was NEVER* any mention of it reigning as the champion in terms of flight operations but rather what was ALWAYS discussed & bragged on was that it led in PASSENGER VOLUME. *(except perhaps buried in the details found in air travel industry magazines & reports). In other words, the much discussed underpinning for the title & bragging point was based on PASSENGER VOLUME.
Now that the passenger title is out of reach for O'Hare, Chicago boosters have moved the goal posts so as to crow about being busiest in FLIGHT OPERATIONS. It's just not as important a label or title as what was long used as the criteria for establishing the location of the "world's busiest airport". Changing the basis criteria for determining which is the "World's Busiest Airport" at this point in time seems more like cheating at the goal post.
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