06-08-2012, 08:21 AM
Location: Downtown Atlanta
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JPD
Sorry, but I need credible links to support these claims.
don't have any links. I just witnessed the damages myself.
Anyway, why all the bitching and complaining? The park's fence will be down within the month; the grass will be stronger and healthier to withstand events like the great Beer Festival in August; there will be a new playground for the neighborhood kids (there are actually families living in those highrises); the reading room area is always filled at lunch; the sprinkler system and water features are now tied to a new well drilled last year so they will not be shut off due to droughts anymore; a drinking fountain and bocce courts will be installed later this summer.
The park will be in better shape for all people - residents, workers, students, and tourists - to enjoy. Isn't that what we all want?
06-08-2012, 08:35 AM
Location: Kirkwood
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The park will be in better shape for all people - residents, workers, students, and tourists - to enjoy. Isn't that what we all want?
Yes, accept those too scared to venture downtown. It is a great urban park, the skyline views are amazing.
06-08-2012, 08:41 AM
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BroadStJudge, it sounds like you work for CAP or an entity tied to the city, which is fine. But there are several things about the way this was handled that seem strange to me.
06-08-2012, 08:43 AM
Location: Kirkwood
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If Occupy Atlanta was causing so much damage, as you say they were, then why were they allowed to stay in the park for so long, for month after month?
People are allowed to gather for peaceful protest, but spending nights in a park is illegal. The city was planning the best way to handle the situation and not end up like NYPD.
06-08-2012, 09:05 AM
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People are allowed to gather for peaceful protest, but spending nights in a park is illegal. The city was planning the best way to handle the situation and not end up like NYPD.
I think it's more likely that the electrical and irrigation systems were in need of repair or replacement before anyone even heard of occupy, and the city decided occupy would be a convenient scapegoat, at the same time allowing the city to have sharper teeth for all eternity when it comes to enforcing the camping rule.
06-08-2012, 09:38 AM
Location: Downtown Atlanta
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bernsee
BroadStJudge, it sounds like you work for CAP or an entity tied to the city, which is fine. But there are several things about the way this was handled that seem strange to me.If they had caused obvious damage, then why weren't they thrown out of the park? I've never heard of a downtown city park just being fenced off for months . Are the police/city just afraid of the Occupy people coming back? You can't keep them away forever and the park has to be opened at some point .
I am just a small business owner who has lived and worked downtown for 15 years and is active in my community making sure CAP and the city do what they promise (which is not often). I also volunteer my time helping maintain Centennial Park, Woodruff Park, Piedmont Park, and Oakland Cemetery (a city park).
Occupy Atlanta was not thrown out of the park because the mayor's office said not to - they did not want bad press or a lawsuit. The same reason why the mayor's office won't allow the police to enforce the panhandling laws on the books - they are afraid of a lawsuit.
Piedmont Park's meadow area was closed for over a year while the irrigation system and new grass was installed. Then the ball field area was also closed for a year while its grass and irrigation system was installed. Fencing off an area to allow grass to root is common and logical.
The fence will be down soon and you can enjoy the park. Occupy Atlanta can enjoy the park too if they leave when the park closes at night, and if they do no damage to the park's equipment and amenities.
06-09-2012, 01:34 PM
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BroadStJudge
As for GSU, they are already responsible for the maintenance of Hurt Park - disaster. And they were responsible for the maintenance of Woodruff Park years ago when it was full of bums sleeping on the grass. They gave up and turned the responsibility over to CAP and that is when the improvements started.
I think the problem is that GSU doesn't have real control of the Parks. If it was actual GSU property, they could do more. Both are public parks.
06-09-2012, 01:41 PM
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BroadStJudge
don't have any links. I just witnessed the damages myself.
In all my years in Atlanta, I've never seen Woodruff Park function as a park for everyone. Centennial Park does.
06-09-2012, 02:48 PM
Location: ATL
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JPD
Sorry, but I need credible links to support these claims.
It's true. When I went to the jazz fest a few weeks ago the organizers kept telling people not to stick objects in the ground because of how much it will cost them afterwards after they inspect the park and it was damn near thousands of dollars to replace so I can only imagine the cost of them camping out daily 24/7
06-09-2012, 08:50 PM
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tonygeorgia
It's true. When I went to the jazz fest a few weeks ago the organizers kept telling people not to stick objects in the ground because of how much it will cost them afterwards after they inspect the park and it was damn near thousands of dollars to replace so I can only imagine the cost of them camping out daily 24/7
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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