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Old 07-16-2019, 08:23 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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People like that might have to live in some place like San Diego, where there are no poor people.
There are plenty of poor people in SD, just look on the street.
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Old 07-16-2019, 08:31 AM
 
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There are plenty of poor people in SD, just look on the street.
I thought everyone there is rich and high class and wears suits, lol. I'm joking, I'm aware of the homeless problem. I was just talking about the negative image of Atlanta which San Diego does not have. The negative image is one of the reasons why transit has not expanded to the suburban areas such as Cobb, North Fulton, and Gwinett.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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I thought everyone there is rich and high class and wears suits, lol. I'm joking, I'm aware of the homeless problem. I was just talking about the negative image of Atlanta which San Diego does not have. The negative image is one of the reasons why transit has not expanded to the suburban areas such as Cobb, North Fulton, and Gwinett.
I find to odd that places like Portland, Seattle, and Denver are seen as transit success stories, when MARTA rail has more unlinked trips than all of them on less rail miles. I guess it's because the racial makeup of the cities.
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Old 07-16-2019, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Seattle, WA
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If that is what you think of our most vulnerable Americans, then I am fully disgusted by you. Transit is and should be accessible to everyone. That is why you don't find first class cars on mass transit. If seeing social problems bothers people, then they need to just continue to stick their head in the sand and remain in their gated communities, far from the issues that trick-down-economics has created.
To be clear, I agree fully and was being sarcastic, as I know a lot of people in this metro do think that way.
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:20 AM
 
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I find to odd that places like Portland, Seattle, and Denver are seen as transit success stories, when MARTA rail has more unlinked trips than all of them on less rail miles. I guess it's because the racial makeup of the cities.
I guess because their systems are newer and have made bigger strides in the last few decades, while Atlanta's rail system hit a wall about 20 years ago. Also most people in Atlanta don't count the blessings of the existing rail system that was built in the 70's that connects to most of the prominent areas of the city and the airport. Instead they tend to focus on where it doesn't go, such as the Battery, Marietta, Alpharetta, Norcross, etc.
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Old 07-16-2019, 10:37 AM
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I find to odd that places like Portland, Seattle, and Denver are seen as transit success stories, when MARTA rail has more unlinked trips than all of them on less rail miles. I guess it's because the racial makeup of the cities.
Or maybe its because Atlanta has a much lower % ridership and one of the worst %s of jobs that can be reached by mass transit (survey a few years back put it 91 of top 100 metros).

Blaming it on racism is ignorant and unproductive. Those that truly think that way get reinforced and those that don't, get turned off by the ignorant self-righteousness.
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Old 07-16-2019, 11:33 AM
 
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I always thought it should be just over $1 for next station stops, especially within Midtown or Downtown. For the full length it can be $5-10. That would generate more revenue, but who am I?
Agreed.

Heck, cities like Minneapolis charge just $0.50 in their downtown. That is a great way to attract more in-town users and get vehicles off the street for those short trips.

It will come to MARTA eventually, maybe even as part of "The ATL" effort to consolidate transit agencies. The Breeze card was designed to support distance and zone based fares, that is why you have to scan to both enter and exit stations.

We already have zone-based fares on "Xpress" buses too: https://www.xpressga.com/fares_/
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Old 07-16-2019, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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Or maybe its because Atlanta has a much lower % ridership and one of the worst %s of jobs that can be reached by mass transit (survey a few years back put it 91 of top 100 metros).

Blaming it on racism is ignorant and unproductive. Those that truly think that way get reinforced and those that don't, get turned off by the ignorant self-righteousness.
2018
  • Portland: Annual Ridership: 38,953,100 Avg daily weekday boardings: 119,600 System length: 60 miles Avg Daily Boardings/mile: 1,993
  • Portland: Annual Ridership: 38,953,100 Avg daily weekday boardings: 119,600 System length: 60 miles Avg Daily Boardings/mile: 1,993
  • Dallas: Annual ridership: 28,759,200 Avg daily weekday boardings: 95,800 System length: 93 miles Avg Daily Boardings/mile: 1,030
  • Denver: Annual Ridership: 25,669,700 Avg daily weekday boardings: 101,700 System length: 58.5 miles Avg Daily Boardings/mile: 1,738
  • Seattle: Annual Ridership: 24,416,411 Avg daily weekday boardings: 76,042 System length: 20.4 miles Avg Daily Boardings/mile: 3,728
  • Atlanta: Annual Ridership: 64,854,000 Avg daily weekday boardings: 205,800 System length: 47.6 miles Avg Daily Boardings/mile: 4,324
Light Rail ridership
Rapid Transit Ridership
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Old 07-16-2019, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Searching n Atlanta
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I guess because their systems are newer and have made bigger strides in the last few decades, while Atlanta's rail system hit a wall about 20 years ago. Also most people in Atlanta don't count the blessings of the existing rail system that was built in the 70's that connects to most of the prominent areas of the city and the airport. Instead they tend to focus on where it doesn't go, such as the Battery, Marietta, Alpharetta, Norcross, etc.
Thank you for this. Top 10 ten transit system in the country, top 50 in the world. Most don't understand what we have here.
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Old 07-16-2019, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Buckhead Atlanta
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2018
  • Portland: Annual Ridership: 38,953,100 Avg daily weekday boardings: 119,600 System length: 60 miles Avg Daily Boardings/mile: 1,993
  • Portland: Annual Ridership: 38,953,100 Avg daily weekday boardings: 119,600 System length: 60 miles Avg Daily Boardings/mile: 1,993
  • Dallas: Annual ridership: 28,759,200 Avg daily weekday boardings: 95,800 System length: 93 miles Avg Daily Boardings/mile: 1,030
  • Denver: Annual Ridership: 25,669,700 Avg daily weekday boardings: 101,700 System length: 58.5 miles Avg Daily Boardings/mile: 1,738
  • Seattle: Annual Ridership: 24,416,411 Avg daily weekday boardings: 76,042 System length: 20.4 miles Avg Daily Boardings/mile: 3,728
  • Atlanta: Annual Ridership: 64,854,000 Avg daily weekday boardings: 205,800 System length: 47.6 miles Avg Daily Boardings/mile: 4,324
Light Rail ridership
Rapid Transit Ridership
You forgot to include Houston. They do everything better.
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