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I think people are just being anti-Atlanta at the end of the day. Atlanta has a reputation that some people don’t like and would rather be separated from that. It was like that in the 1890s and it’s like that now nothings changed. People just know now what it is its discriminatory and politically incorrect so instead of saying or being blatantly obvious about it they choose to bury their biases rather than confront those biases and change them. Which I am now going to state for the clarity of this thread is being against non-white culture. It’s racism.
This is the crux of a lot of discussion about Atlanta, not just locally (suburb vs urban) but also Atlanta's national perception as a very Black city. When I hear someone from another city say that Atlanta is trashy or low class, and it's easy to tell exactly what they mean.
Whatever. If there's one legitimately interesting thing about Atlanta, it's that Atlanta's Black community is among the most prominent culturally, economically, and historically of any city on the planet. The city owns it and doesn't apologize for it.
In the thread where this topic was discussed this was the point I was trying to make. Atlanta fueled Alpharetta, not Alpharetta acting in its independence.
I think if Atlanta would’ve done the twin city approach, I think instead of a DFW dynamic it would’ve been closer to MSP’s and it would’ve been ATLANTA and DECATUR. However even simple Google searches prove that Decatur and Atlanta are not on the same playing field. Atlanta’s growth model has been more like Chicago’s and nothing is wrong with that honestly.
If Marietta grew in near equity to Atlanta that would’ve been closer to DFW but I don’t think it would’ve been as likely as Decatur. There is a possibility to have had something in Gwinnett instead of Marietta but look at their downtown squares and compare them to Fort Worth. They are not the same. There’s kind of a potential wig Sandy Springs but isn’t the Perimeter Center kinda split with Dunwoody and also would we even have the perimeter center if it wasn’t for Atlanta? Believe that also came from Atlanta’s growth.
I think people are just being anti-Atlanta at the end of the day. Atlanta has a reputation that some people don’t like and would rather be separated from that. It was like that in the 1890s and it’s like that now nothings changed. People just know now what it is its discriminatory and politically incorrect so instead of saying or being blatantly obvious about it they choose to bury their biases rather than confront those biases and change them. Which I am now going to state for the clarity of this thread is being against non-white culture. It’s racism.
If you look at the Fort Worth and Buckhead skylines, Buckhead looks taller and bigger. Sandy Springs with the new State Farm office and other buildings is no slouch as well.
If you look at the Fort Worth and Buckhead skylines, Buckhead looks taller and bigger. Sandy Springs with the new State Farm office and other buildings is no slouch as well.
Buckhead and Downtown Atlanta are six miles apart. Don’t forget the Midtown spine which sits in that six miles.
Also, Buckhead is still considered Atlanta. And just recently had an opportunity to secede from Atlanta and they voted not to because it was very clear that they do not view themselves as a separate entity from Atlanta.
To put that six miles in perspective, Downtown and Midtown Manhattan are also six miles apart. NYC doesn’t have a high rise “spine” that attempts to bridge these two yet if you look at the NYC skyline you can very clearly see a high rise gap between Downtown and Midtown Manhattan where it’s mostly residential. Still though it’s always considered the “Manhattan skyline”… no different than us saying the Atlanta skyline…
If you Google Atlanta or Manhattan skylines it’s very, very easy to find these districts in the same photo. Meanwhile, Dallas and Fort Worth, 32 miles apart (almost 6 times the difference between Downtown and Buckhead!) I can’t find a single photo in which both their skylines are displayed.
Minneapolis and Saint Paul are ten miles apart and while it’s easy to find both of their skylines in one photo, it’s also very clear that Saint Paul and Minneapolis have two isolated detached skylines of approximately equal size and weight. No connecting high rise districts, like Atlanta’s Midtown.
Atlanta and Lawrenceville are 32 miles apart to put DFW in perspective.
I just meant socially and economically--I don't really care about municipal and county boundaries very much.
Alpharetta and Plano are both new-growth upscale areas that have attracted a bunch of destination retail, corporate relocation, and multifamily development and growth.
Fort Worth is on another scale from either of these. It's a significant, historical city with neighborhoods and districts and a major CBD. Plano and Alpharetta do not compare with Fort Worth at all.
I get what your saying but what I'm saying in DFW there more edge cities, Going to Plano is not only skipping out side the core counties but skipping ahead other edge cities with in with core counties. There is no Plano equivalent in Metro Atlanta. All Metro Atlanta edge city are centralize in core 5 counties.
With in Dallas 339.604 sq mi city itself besides Downtown and uptown. Dallas has edge cities like
In Tarrant there Arlington, Arlington doesn't really have a skyline but it works like a edge city, with the stadiums, Theme parks, Office Parks etc through the city.
In DFW there two major cities and several edge cities with in the 2 core counties. but then DFW have edge cities beyond it's core.
Atlanta sprawl but it's core is very centralize. Atlanta has one core city, then there several edge cities in it's core. in fact if Atlanta had Chicago or DFW city limit all Atlanta edge cities would be in the city. The point is Atlanta core is not a spread out as it seem, At isn't really multi polar is balkanize in small area.
So before go into Denton and Collins in TX to place like Plano. Alpharetta is more like between Richardson and Dallas galleria area.
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I think people are just being anti-Atlanta at the end of the day. Atlanta has a reputation that some people don’t like and would rather be separated from that. It was like that in the 1890s and it’s like that now nothings changed. People just know now what it is its discriminatory and politically incorrect so instead of saying or being blatantly obvious about it they choose to bury their biases rather than confront those biases and change them. Which I am now going to state for the clarity of this thread is being against non-white culture. It’s racism.
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This is the crux of a lot of discussion about Atlanta, not just locally (suburb vs urban) but also Atlanta's national perception as a very Black city. When I hear someone from another city say that Atlanta is trashy or low class, and it's easy to tell exactly what they mean.
Whatever. If there's one legitimately interesting thing about Atlanta, it's that Atlanta's Black community is among the most prominent culturally, economically, and historically of any city on the planet. The city owns it and doesn't apologize for it.
In the thread where this topic was discussed this was the point I was trying to make. Atlanta fueled Alpharetta, not Alpharetta acting in its independence.
I think if Atlanta would’ve done the twin city approach, I think instead of a DFW dynamic it would’ve been closer to MSP’s and it would’ve been ATLANTA and DECATUR. However even simple Google searches prove that Decatur and Atlanta are not on the same playing field. Atlanta’s growth model has been more like Chicago’s and nothing is wrong with that honestly.
If Marietta grew in near equity to Atlanta that would’ve been closer to DFW but I don’t think it would’ve been as likely as Decatur. There is a possibility to have had something in Gwinnett instead of Marietta but look at their downtown squares and compare them to Fort Worth. They are not the same. There’s kind of a potential wig Sandy Springs but isn’t the Perimeter Center kinda split with Dunwoody and also would we even have the perimeter center if it wasn’t for Atlanta? Believe that also came from Atlanta’s growth.
I think people are just being anti-Atlanta at the end of the day. Atlanta has a reputation that some people don’t like and would rather be separated from that. It was like that in the 1890s and it’s like that now nothings changed. People just know now what it is its discriminatory and politically incorrect so instead of saying or being blatantly obvious about it they choose to bury their biases rather than confront those biases and change them. Which I am now going to state for the clarity of this thread is being against non-white culture. It’s racism.
Dallas and Fort Worth grew because of different reasons. Despite Dallas Cowboys Dallas wasn't really a cowboy city it's was important in the cotton and Texas banking industry. Fort Worth was very important to cattle drives etc. Fort Worth reached a 100k by the 1920s, Dallas and Fort Worth didn't join together until the 1970 Then Fort Worth was 393,476. Fort Worth was major city before it even join up with Dallas.
Dallas and Forth Worth are the same distance apart as DC and Baltimore, like DC and Baltimore they came about independent of each other. It was like that 100 years. Then they join MSA in the 1970s, Sunbelt boom they started to sprawl between and around each other. So now identify as two different cities but same metro.
So it's more like what if Gainesville or Athens maybe Macon where 5x to 8x there size.
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Dallas and Houston had the same racism the difference is they was allowed to annex greatly which alter the demographic, which alter the image of the cities. Georgia annexation laws and small municipal boundaries became tool used by racist. In Texas this didn't exist because of boundaries are Huge. Atlanta 5 core counties would be 1 or 2 counties in Texas. Alpharetta and Marietta would be part one giant city with Atlanta. Today I don't think anti-Atlanta ism base on Racism alone tho it's a part. But I think it's a general culture create from the balkanization existing itself.
DFW obliviously not good at transportation, but there less bureaucracy and line crossing because the larger boundaries, This why Dart was able to expand so fast, And expanding MARTA more difficult.
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If you look at the Fort Worth and Buckhead skylines, Buckhead looks taller and bigger. Sandy Springs with the new State Farm office and other buildings is no slouch as well.
A bunch of skyscrapers don't make a city. Sandy Springs is a edge city, Buckhead is a in city edge city.
So Fort Worth Downtown is actually a Urban Downtown. Again in 1920 Fort Worth was 106,482 that's near Sandy Springs population a 100 years ago. It was already that big, Fort worth didn't join Dallas until the 1970's then it was nearly 400,000.
Dallas over shadows Fort Worth to point nationally that people don't even know it's a major city. Which creates a lot of misconception. Atlanta created Sandy Springs etc Sandy Springs is a suburb. Dallas did not create Fort Worth. They are same distance apart like DC and Baltimore, and they had same relations as them until 1970s Then join into one metro.
Dallas and Fort Worth grew because of different reasons. Despite Dallas Cowboys Dallas wasn't really a cowboy city it's was important in the cotton and Texas banking industry. Fort Worth was very important to cattle drives etc. Fort Worth reached a 100k by the 1920s, Dallas and Fort Worth didn't join together until the 1970 Then Fort Worth was 393,476. Fort Worth was major city before it even join up with Dallas.
Dallas and Forth Worth are the same distance apart as DC and Baltimore, like DC and Baltimore they came about independent of each other. It was like that 100 years. Then they join MSA in the 1970s, Sunbelt boom they started to sprawl between and around each other. So now identify as two different cities but same metro.
So it's more like what if Gainesville or Athens maybe Macon where 5x to 8x there size.
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Dallas and Houston had the same racism the difference is they was allowed to annex greatly which alter the demographic, which alter the image of the cities. Georgia annexation laws and small municipal boundaries became tool used by racist. In Texas this didn't exist because of boundaries are Huge. Atlanta 5 core counties would be 1 or 2 counties in Texas. Alpharetta and Marietta would be part one giant city with Atlanta. Today I don't think anti-Atlanta ism base on Racism alone tho it's a part. But I think it's a general culture create from the balkanization existing itself.
DFW obliviously not good at transportation, but there less bureaucracy and line crossing because the larger boundaries, This why Dart was able to expand so fast, And expanding MARTA more difficult.
The downtowns of Dallas and FW are about 10 miles closer to each other and the city limits of each are about 12 miles apart.
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