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People get pretty sauced at PIR from my experiences from Nov 07 until Nov 10. Still yet to get to checkout the new surface live.
To get back on topic, what does everyone think of the new competition rules NASCAR introduced. I think they are a step forward but why haven't they had the intentionally wrecking title contenders (in cup's case chasers) rule before?
NASCAR, like other large entities, is reactive not proactive.
NASCAR, like other large entities, is reactive not proactive.
It's not often that a driver would get dumped altering the points race that late in the season. Most do it on short tracks or road courses which there is only one and that is Martinsville. The only other one of note is Richmond II because that is the race into the chase. NASCAR had a case in 2011, Rowdy wrecking Hornaday screwing Hornaday out of the Truck Series points race. A precedent was set, you wreck a title contender out of the points race, you get black flagged and potentially suspended. NASCAR was inconsistent with it the next year when Gordon wrecked Bowyer. Now yes, Bowyer still finished 2nd but at the time he was wrecked he COULD have won at Homestead and not Brad. (Yes Bowyer was not "mathematically out" and had an outside chance but Brad needed a catastrophic failure to lose the cup.) Now we clearly know Gordon should have gotten a suspension.
It's not often that a driver would get dumped altering the points race that late in the season. Most do it on short tracks or road courses which there is only one and that is Martinsville. The only other one of note is Richmond II because that is the race into the chase. NASCAR had a case in 2011, Rowdy wrecking Hornaday screwing Hornaday out of the Truck Series points race. A precedent was set, you wreck a title contender out of the points race, you get black flagged and potentially suspended. NASCAR was inconsistent with it the next year when Gordon wrecked Bowyer. Now yes, Bowyer still finished 2nd but at the time he was wrecked he COULD have won at Homestead and not Brad. (Yes Bowyer was not "mathematically out" and had an outside chance but Brad needed a catastrophic failure to lose the cup.) Now we clearly know Gordon should have gotten a suspension.
Nice try! I guess we'll disregard the Shrub's aggressions came under a caution flag. That is the aggravating factor that forced Nascar's hand. They couldn't let the little sack of 'you know what' get away with that one.
Nice try! I guess we'll disregard the Shrub's aggressions came under a caution flag. That is the aggravating factor that forced Nascar's hand. They couldn't let the little sack of 'you know what' get away with that one.
I think Busch got off very lightly for taking Hornaday out of the championship. While it's seldom a given, I remember seeing that Hornaday was likely to win.
Nice try! I guess we'll disregard the Shrub's aggressions came under a caution flag. That is the aggravating factor that forced Nascar's hand. They couldn't let the little sack of 'you know what' get away with that one.
But he did screw with a points chase even if it was under caution. I think the wrecking under caution was enough for the black flag for THAT race. However, I think screwing with the points race was the mitigating factor to benching him for Saturday's Nationwide race and Sunday's Cup race. It is rare that drivers would get benched another race in a race weekend.
But he did screw with a points chase even if it was under caution. I think the wrecking under caution was enough for the black flag for THAT race. However, I think screwing with the points race was the mitigating factor to benching him for Saturday's Nationwide race and Sunday's Cup race. It is rare that drivers would get benched another race in a race weekend.
You're missing the point. Point implications aside, wrecking someone under green is bad enough and may be enough to result in a disqualification based on circumstance.
However, Shrub's incident took place on a caution lap, when other drivers are 'not on their guard' as they would be in racing conditions. Shrub's intent was to cause equipment damage, if not personal injury.
That is much, much more aggravating than what Gordon did to Bowyer, especially since Shrub was a major leaguer playing around in the minor series.
You're missing the point. Point implications aside, wrecking someone under green is bad enough and may be enough to result in a disqualification based on circumstance.
However, Shrub's incident took place on a caution lap, when other drivers are 'not on their guard' as they would be in racing conditions. Shrub's intent was to cause equipment damage, if not personal injury.
That is much, much more aggravating than what Gordon did to Bowyer, especially since Shrub was a major leaguer playing around in the minor series.
And Gordon was entirely mathmatically out. The point is while Busch wasn't chasing the title neither was Gordon. Both INTENTIONALLY dumped drivers racing for the championship and affected the points race. I will give you Busch's incident was under caution but Gordon doing it under green doesn't disqualify it from being wrong and something worthy of being benched the next race weekend because of the precedent.
And Gordon was entirely mathmatically out. The point is while Busch wasn't chasing the title neither was Gordon. Both INTENTIONALLY dumped drivers racing for the championship and affected the points race. I will give you Busch's incident was under caution but Gordon doing it under green doesn't disqualify it from being wrong and something worthy of being benched the next race weekend because of the precedent.
Whoever is the head of marketing at Roush needs to be fired. They couldn't find enough sponsorship for Kenseth, and now they lost Valvoline to Hendrick.
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