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Old 10-24-2013, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Prosper
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Originally Posted by Stratford, Ct. Resident View Post
3750 is not the "low end", not that torque really matters at that point as horsepower becomes the primary motivator.

2500 and under? Yes, that's low end.
I'm going by the dyno charts he posted. They are incomplete (and don't help his case at all.)

Sorry, the Sonata is simply not making a huge difference in torque over the V6 Lexus down low. That is NOT what makes it feel faster. It's the turbo kicking in and the horsepower rising rapidly. It's a very narrow window where the Sonata even has more torque, and it's basically just off idle to about 2k rpm. Above 2k, the Lexus has more. Look at the dyno that yowps3 posted in the beginning of the thread.

But what do I know, I've only modded turbo cars for 20 years...
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Yes, you need torque, but are you not doing it right?
I can make my 4Runner push people back in their seats, and that is one slow-ass car.
It's easy peasy in the Corvette, but you don't need a giant engine to do this.
You have to find where in your revs/speed/gear change you get the biggest boost.
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:27 AM
 
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Zero to 250 mph in 2.4 seconds. Aircraft carrier catapult shot. Works every time.
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:28 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Originally Posted by Stratford, Ct. Resident View Post
3750 is not the "low end", not that torque really matters at that point as horsepower becomes the primary motivator.

2500 and under? Yes, that's low end.
I guess it depends on what you're driving. Maybe in a diesel you have a usable powerband below 1500rpm but for the vast majority of gasoline cars it just doesn't make sense to spend any time in that range aside from idling after a cold start. I'd generally consider 2k to 3500 low, 3500 to 5500 mid and 5500+ high.
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:29 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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Yes, you need torque, but are you not doing it right?
I can make my 4Runner push people back in their seats, and that is one slow-ass car.
It's easy peasy in the Corvette, but you don't need a giant engine to do this.
You have to find where in your revs/speed/gear change you get the biggest boost.
The reason is that biggest boost = peak torque.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:01 AM
 
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actually i HAVE witnessed top fuel dragsters in action. at the 1000ft mark it feels like an earthquake when you have two of them side by side. and by the way i have tuned fuel altereds as well.

one more thing, just because the engine in question isnt a chrysler hemi doesnt mean it isnt a top fuel motor. there have been fords and chevys used in top fuel as well, including a small block chevy back in the day making nearly 2500hp in the late 70s. so i have been there, done that, got the T shirt.
Never said anything about it not being a Chrysler hemi.. I'm just pretty sure modern TF motor's don't use cast iron blocks...
It's all good though. TF is cool but what is much more impressive is some of the "outlaw" classes. Cars with 275 drag radials, running mid to low 4's at 180 in the 1/8th mile. Twin turboed 600ci motors making 3000 plus hp. Technology is really helping drag racing.
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Old 10-24-2013, 10:10 AM
 
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Go as fast as you can in reverse and then slam on the brakes. That will push you back!
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Old 10-24-2013, 01:46 PM
 
Location: moved
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Another factor is throttle tip-in. Obviously pushing the gas pedal will send more fuel into the fuel-injection system, but how this process is managed – the mapping of pedal displacement to onset of fuel delivery – varies from car to car, and can strongly contribute to perceived acceleration. For instance, on my lowly 1.6L Miata, pushing the gas pedal 50% from idle gives a short kick (relatively speaking) of acceleration, and pushing the remaining 50% contributes very little. It’s a slow car that feels deceptively fast. In other cars it’s the reverse, where most of the perceived throttle happens with the pedal nearly to the floor. The V6 Camry does this, and presumably the Lexus IS350 is similar.

It goes without saying that a car that FEELS faster isn’t necessarily the car that actually IS faster. However, for those of us who don’t drive competitively and who merely prefer the occasional burst of exhilaration, it’s very much a debatable question, as to whether we’re better off with the sensation of acceleration, or its actual presence.
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Old 10-24-2013, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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my IS350 has a more powerful version of your 3.5L.

Try the Sonata 2.0t and it pushes into seat pretty hard without revving its nuts off. Just like the Tesla Model-S feeling.
Yes. Agree.
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Old 10-25-2013, 12:17 PM
 
Location: sumter
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torque torque and more torque
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