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I find the naysayers for AVs conveniently forget that every day on every roadway, people die because of cars. Loads of people, all the time. So if AVs could cut the the number of fatal accidents in half, let's say (yes, there would still be fatalities due to unforeseen hazards, but far fewer of them) then that's a giant win. That's a major and important advancement. Damn right I'm behind that. I think all the testing they've done has proved this point. YMMV <---see what I did there
And the push toward AV isn't some whim because those Millennials are so darn lazy. It would give freedom to the disabled and elderly, take drunk drivers out of the picture, make road rage obsolete, revolutionize long haul driving and thus the transportation of goods, and that's just off the top of my head.
The future can't come fast enough for me. Beep beep!
I find the naysayers for AVs conveniently forget that every day on every roadway, people die because of cars. Loads of people, all the time. So if AVs could cut the the number of fatal accidents in half, let's say (yes, there would still be fatalities due to unforeseen hazards, but far fewer of them) then that's a giant win. That's a major and important advancement. Damn right I'm behind that. I think all the testing they've done has proved this point. YMMV <---see what I did there
And the push toward AV isn't some whim because those Millennials are so darn lazy. It would give freedom to the disabled and elderly, take drunk drivers out of the picture, make road rage obsolete, revolutionize long haul driving and thus the transportation of goods, and that's just off the top of my head.
The future can't come fast enough for me. Beep beep!
i get where you are coming from, but the problem of AV cars being hacked doesnt go away just because more people use them. the biggest issue with AV cars is the very thing that makes them so enticing.
Other than a few perennial... types, I don't see many posts from people who are truly against AVs, or think they can never work.
I see posts from proponents who can only see rose-colored stars, and real, real soon... and people who agree the technology is valuable and all but certain to arrive, but still faces significant technical, legal and real-world hurdles. I wouldn't call the latter "naysayers," but I would say the first crowd really needs to get a grip on both reality and reasonable debate.
I find the naysayers for AVs conveniently forget that every day on every roadway, people die because of cars. Loads of people, all the time. So if AVs could cut the the number of fatal accidents in half, let's say (yes, there would still be fatalities due to unforeseen hazards, but far fewer of them) then that's a giant win. That's a major and important advancement. Damn right I'm behind that. I think all the testing they've done has proved this point. YMMV <---see what I did there
And the push toward AV isn't some whim because those Millennials are so darn lazy. It would give freedom to the disabled and elderly, take drunk drivers out of the picture, make road rage obsolete, revolutionize long haul driving and thus the transportation of goods, and that's just off the top of my head.
The future can't come fast enough for me. Beep beep!
Give freedom to the disabled and elderly?
If they can afford an autonomous vehicle, they can certainly afford a taxi or an Uber ride.
AV's literally remove freedom and privacy from everyone else. Part of the deal of universal AV's is the tracking down to the centimeter of everywhere the vehicles travel, all in one easy to access and probably hack database.
In addition, are we REALLY ready to remove all uses of vehicles other than point-to-point travel? Eliminating the possibility of just going for a drive? Taking our time and just enjoying the scenery? Looking to discover new and interesting destinations?
Long story short, I'm not ready to give up my privacy and my freedom for the possibility for an incremental increase in safety, and I never will be.
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It would be neat if cars would link themselves up on road trips, save gas for everyone. Drafting with each other and computer controlled so no one causes problems. It will be neat one day.
Yeah, until a tire blows out or a deer runs into the road.
Yeah, until a tire blows out or a deer runs into the road.
Yeah, we should have just stuck with horse and buggy for transportation, just look at how many people have been killed or seriously injured by motor vehicles over the years!
Everyone has pretty much accepted the deaths caused by motor vehicles though, I mean, I do not hear anyone suggesting we go back to horse and buggy, or it was a mistake to switch to motorized vehicles, see what Im saying?
If they can afford an autonomous vehicle, they can certainly afford a taxi or an Uber ride.
AV's literally remove freedom and privacy from everyone else. Part of the deal of universal AV's is the tracking down to the centimeter of everywhere the vehicles travel, all in one easy to access and probably hack database.
In addition, are we REALLY ready to remove all uses of vehicles other than point-to-point travel? Eliminating the possibility of just going for a drive? Taking our time and just enjoying the scenery? Looking to discover new and interesting destinations?
Long story short, I'm not ready to give up my privacy and my freedom for the possibility for an incremental increase in safety, and I never will be.
If they can afford an autonomous vehicle, they can certainly afford a taxi or an Uber ride.
AV's literally remove freedom and privacy from everyone else. Part of the deal of universal AV's is the tracking down to the centimeter of everywhere the vehicles travel, all in one easy to access and probably hack database.
In addition, are we REALLY ready to remove all uses of vehicles other than point-to-point travel? Eliminating the possibility of just going for a drive? Taking our time and just enjoying the scenery? Looking to discover new and interesting destinations?
Long story short, I'm not ready to give up my privacy and my freedom for the possibility for an incremental increase in safety, and I never will be.
I do think this plays a big part in why there is a push to get these things on the road, its all about CONTROL.
Of course they are going to spin it as cool and neat, increased safety, etc etc, but they are not telling you they can pin point anyones exact location, all the time, 24/7, and whose to say they do not have 'security functions' built in, like if you are wanted by police anywhere, the car automatically informs police where you are and maybe even drive you to their location!
Authorities will likely use this technology to show someones history too, where they have driven, what time they were a certain place, how long they stayed, when they left, etc.
on the other hand, they will be able to quickly find abducted kids, people on the run, etc, so Im sure they will use these positives in the spin campaign and like many other instances, majority of the public will willingly hand over another freedom for a little increased safety/ security, its happened countless times already.
Yeah, we should have just stuck with horse and buggy for transportation, just look at how many people have been killed or seriously injured by motor vehicles over the years!
Everyone has pretty much accepted the deaths caused by motor vehicles though, I mean, I do not hear anyone suggesting we go back to horse and buggy, or it was a mistake to switch to motorized vehicles, see what Im saying?
You completely missed the point.
The situations I mentioned require human control of the vehicle in order to avoid colliding with the deer, or to safely bring the vehicle to a stop in an appropriate location.
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