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Old 06-07-2018, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Not most but a lot would. The obligatory 2nd car in the US household may go, saving a lot of hassle and money. Why bother when a taxi can pull up to you exactly on the kerbside, all done by your Smart Phone. Where I am 90% of the Ubers are hybrids, soon to be all EV. In London the traditional black cab had to be at least a hybrid from 1 Jan 2018.

Sorry John UK man the USA is a heck of a lot bigger than you island nation. We have vast open areas and people hare love their vehicles. There’s no way people will sell their cars here to ride Uber. Man i want some of that English tea your drinking. We Americans love our large SUVs and pickups not an electric EV we’re y can’t go over 300 miles and then hope to find a charger. We’re as a regular car or pickup you can fill up in any gas station in 10 min and continue on your trip. And how many 4x4 EV are out there. Sorry but EV will never replace the good ole gas powered engine not in my lifetime.

 
Old 06-07-2018, 05:33 AM
 
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I am totally unaware of any.
Apparently.
Let’s try this for starters...range in winter time sucks. There could be a almost a 100 mile range difference in the same car when outside temp, speed, ac and heater use are factored in. So grandmas house might be 300 miles away, but some days you’ll only get 2/3rds or the way there on the same charge.

Route planning. In electric cars this is a big deal. You want to take the coastal scenic road? Nope, you're taking the interstate because that’s where the superchargers are. Planning your route using the most direct path is no longer an option. You will take the route with the proper charging infrastructure.

Charging times. I know EV fans think we love pulling over for 30 minutes every 3 hours but we don’t. Did Jr, finally fall asleep? To bad, you’re pulling over for 30 minutes regardless. That’s if it’s even available. For 30 minutes per car, the queue can get pretty long...as in hours. https://www.google.com/amp/s/insidee...er-wvideo/amp/
Now imagine that the entire state of Florida is evacuating for a hurricane and all have EVs? Oh, and in the way back, the power got knocked out for 2 weeks.

Of course random fires that are difficult to put out. https://www.google.com/amp/bgr.com/2...r-station/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tes...er-norway/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/insidee...lugged-in/amp/

Terrible depreciation..
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/ev...-resale-values

The cobalt used in EVs are mined by child laborers in Africa http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...plate=mobile02

Battery waste problems: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...hium-recycling

And of course they’re useless for people in apartments or who use street parking.

If you’re honestly not aware of any downsides, it’s pretty clear you’re just a zealot not grounded in reality. You’re selectively reading what you want to and making far too much out of it.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 06:12 AM
 
Location: London
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Sorry John UK man the USA is a heck of a lot bigger than you island nation.
China is bigger in area and population than the USA and going towards EVs - fast. The trend in the world, and the USA, which is in the world although reading some here you would think it was on Mars, is all going EV. China has more charging points than the USA has gas filling stations. All Filling stations can become charging stations quite quickly.

You will be driving an EV sooner than you think.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 06:14 AM
 
Location: MN
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Apparently.
Let’s try this for starters...range in winter time sucks. There could be a almost a 100 mile range difference in the same car when outside temp, speed, ac and heater use are factored in. So grandmas house might be 300 miles away, but some days you’ll only get 2/3rds or the way there on the same charge.

Route planning. In electric cars this is a big deal. You want to take the coastal scenic road? Nope, you're taking the interstate because that’s where the superchargers are. Planning your route using the most direct path is no longer an option. You will take the route with the proper charging infrastructure.

Charging times. I know EV fans think we love pulling over for 30 minutes every 3 hours but we don’t. Did Jr, finally fall asleep? To bad, you’re pulling over for 30 minutes regardless. That’s if it’s even available. For 30 minutes per car, the queue can get pretty long...as in hours. https://www.google.com/amp/s/insidee...er-wvideo/amp/
Now imagine that the entire state of Florida is evacuating for a hurricane and all have EVs? Oh, and in the way back, the power got knocked out for 2 weeks.

Of course random fires that are difficult to put out. https://www.google.com/amp/bgr.com/2...r-station/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tes...er-norway/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/insidee...lugged-in/amp/

Terrible depreciation..
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/ev...-resale-values

The cobalt used in EVs are mined by child laborers in Africa http://europe.autonews.com/article/2...plate=mobile02

Battery waste problems: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...hium-recycling

And of course they’re useless for people in apartments or who use street parking.

If you’re honestly not aware of any downsides, it’s pretty clear you’re just a zealot not grounded in reality. You’re selectively reading what you want to and making far too much out of it.
I’m not arguing with anything here, but how are you going to get gas with no electricity? Lol if you think Steve or big gas station company who owns the gas station(s) is buying a industrial generator for this hurricane that comes once every 20 years. That and said gas station just happened to raise the rate to $10 a gallon, oops it hit the wrong button when setting the price.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 06:18 AM
 
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The guy from Britain isn’t seriously telling the guys from the US what the US is doing. Lol

The US does not, nor has it ever cared what China or anybody else is doing. We’re still not even using the metric system. The US market does what it wants and it’s everybody else that will have to deal with it. The way it’s always been.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 06:22 AM
 
Location: London
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And of course they’re useless for people in apartments or who use street parking.
I live in an apartment with 4 chargers outside my building on the kerb. I have never seen 4 gasoline filling pumps on the kerb. I would have to drive 1 mile though heavy city traffic to fill up with gasoline. The same filling station also has two fast chargers as well.

350 miles range at 70mph gives 5 hours of driving. Then 17 minutes to recharge. I hope after 5 hours you would need a pee.

Battery recycling is not a problem. In Germany they use whole banks of used Smart car batteries to create grid battery storage to cope with grid peaks.

You will be driving an EV and sooner than you think, as the trend is all that way. The car may be made in China as are many of the goods you buy.

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Old 06-07-2018, 06:23 AM
 
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I’m not arguing with anything here, but how are you going to get gas with no electricity? Lol if you think Steve or big gas station company who owns the gas station(s) is buying a industrial generator for this hurricane that comes once every 20 years. That and said gas station just happened to raise the rate to $10 a gallon, oops it hit the wrong button when setting the price.
State mandated backup power....https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.myp...erZ9N/amp.html

Raising the price of gas during a disaster is price gouging and is illegal.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 06:35 AM
 
Location: London
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A company called Vivarail bought up 35 year old London Underground trains and is converting them to battery electric trains. Selling well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_230



Of course, the Japanese have them as well:


The Austrians and Australians have both ordered a whole lot of battery electric trains. Battery technology has vastly improved and improving all the time.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 06:36 AM
 
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I live in an apartment with 4 chargers outside my building on the kerb. I have never seen 4 gasoline filling pumps on the kerb. I would have to drive 1 mile though heavy city traffic to fill up with gasoline. The same filling station also has two fast chargers as well.

350 miles range at 70mph gives 5 hours of driving. Then 17 minutes to recharge. I hope after 5 hours you would need a pee.

Battery recycling is not a problem. In Germany they use whole banks of used Smart car batteries to create grid battery storage to cope with grid peaks.

You will be driving an EV and sooner than you think, as the trend is all that way. The car may be made in China as are many of the goods you buy.
I could care less if the Chinese guy making my Christmas decorations commutes in an electric car, bicycle, or helicopter, as long as those decorations are cheap.

I live in America. We can buy whatever we want. I can commute in a Model T if I wanted to. Even if I did buy an EV, I’m not self centered enough to assume it will work for everybody.

What Germany is doing is a pilot project that nobody else is doing. You’ve fallen into the habit of hearing about one obscure project and assuming it can simple be scaled up. A little skeptiscm will help you not look so naive.

4 chargers for an entire apartment building isn’t a selling point for EV’s. Here desirable apartments don’t need to put up any chargers to get tenants.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 06:41 AM
 
Location: London
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Charging an EV from home can be 25% of the cost of buying petro fuels. If a filling station dropped its prices 75% there would be a line of cars a mile long.
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