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Old 01-11-2013, 01:34 PM
 
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Yup, that's what Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said, so it must be true!!!

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The latest incident involving the 787 occurred overnight when a 3-foot-long crack appeared in the cockpit window of an All Nippon Airlines 787 flying in Japan.

In addition to that incident, another Dreamliner's electrical power system caught fire earlier this week at the gate at Boston's Logan airport on a Japan Airlines flight.

Six 787s have been delivered domestically, all purchased by United, while there are 50 flying worldwide, including Poland and Chile.

The 787 is the first entirely new plane built in the United States in 15 years, and was certified to fly by the FAA two years ago.
Seems it takes two only years for the problems to crop up.

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"This is a newer type of a battery that hasn't been, basically, looked at in any terms of faults," Kevin Hiatt, president and CEO of the Flight Safety Foundation, said, a reference to the electrical fire. "It's a very good battery , and we're not sure what happened there
Transportation Secretary Says Dreamliner Plane Safe Despite Mishaps, Planned Review - ABC News

WOW. Using batteries (made in China??) that weren't looked at in any terms of faults?? Bus they are using it because "it's a very good battery". It takes 7 years for a drug to be tested before it can go on the market in the US but fullly examining a key component, the battery, isn't necessary?
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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Yup, that's what Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said, so it must be true!!!



Seems it takes two only years for the problems to crop up.


Transportation Secretary Says Dreamliner Plane Safe Despite Mishaps, Planned Review - ABC News

WOW. Using batteries (made in China??) that weren't looked at in any terms of faults?? Bus they are using it because "it's a very good battery". It takes 7 years for a drug to be tested before it can go on the market in the US but fullly examining a key component, the battery, isn't necessary?
The battery probably couldn't withstand successive HAARP attacks.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:46 PM
 
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WOW. Using batteries (made in China??) that weren't looked at in any terms of faults?? Bus they are using it because "it's a very good battery". It takes 7 years for a drug to be tested before it can go on the market in the US but fullly examining a key component, the battery, isn't necessary?
Extensive development work for the 787 was done in Rockford by UTAS, which won contracts for nine systems for the plane, including electrical power generating and distribution, environmental controls, electric motor pumps and fire protection.


The company, then Hamilton Sundstrand, spent $50 million for a lab to test aircraft systems. Through September 2011, the company said, it had logged 30,000 hours of tests on the systems.
Local aerospace firms await report on fire in Boeing 787 - Rockford, IL - Rockford Register Star
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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This sort of extremely minor and infrequent things happen to EVERY new plane. If you don't know that then you don't know anything about mass manufacturing of extremely complex items.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:57 PM
 
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This sort of extremely minor and infrequent things happen to EVERY new plane. If you don't know that then you don't know anything about mass manufacturing of extremely complex items.
Well we can't all be gifted with your extensive knowledge on just about everything. It's amazing what talent an idiot savant can possess.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:03 PM
 
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the stuff US companies sell to Japan seem to be substandard in quality. first the defective GE nuclear plants in Fukushima now these Dreamliners in the Japanese fleet are falling apart. but they're asian so I guess its okay to sell them the defective rejects while charging full price. mo' money for Boeing!
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Old 01-11-2013, 05:56 PM
 
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Gee it must be easy to be an armchair philosopher and say "Boeing sucks!```!@@@#" and "well they sell the junk to the Asians!"

Clear lack of how airplane testing goes on, and what happens.

It may shock you all but airplanes get problems ALL THE TIME. Even ones that have been flying for DECADES. Sensors go all the time, small components break, and the airplane has multiple layers of redundancy to protect safety. Even major components, like the electrical generators, have many redundant layers of protection.

A LOT 767 landed due to a circuit breaker being left out after maintenance, and that's the fact of life: vast majority of issues with airplanes are the fault of humans (pilot, maintenance, etc).

Recently 787 had a fuel leak because JAL hadn't complied with a Boeing advisory to check the fuel lines.

Looking back, the 777 had all sorts of problems when first delivered.

Anyone remember the PIO *pilot induced oscillations* on 757's that cropped up ... 17 YEARS AFTER the plane was certified? Remember Boeing hires the best pilots in the world for flight tests and even they couldn't replicate it. Old adage: give a well-engineered product that's been tested umpteen times to a factory foreman: he'll break it in no time.

And sometimes you just have to fly for years before you find things. That's the fact of life. Nothing humans make is perfect. Period. I don't care if you bring forward any Airbus plane, any Embraer, any product ever made, NOTHING has 100% reliability.

Anyway, take it from this aeronautical engineer that this is not a cause for concern. Can't answer specifics why but if you do simple Google searches to the lengths Airbus and Boeing have to test and certify their systems, you'll realize the bar is set very very high.

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Old 01-11-2013, 06:32 PM
 
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the stuff US companies sell to Japan seem to be substandard in quality. first the defective GE nuclear plants in Fukushima now these Dreamliners in the Japanese fleet are falling apart. but they're asian so I guess its okay to sell them the defective rejects while charging full price. mo' money for Boeing!
That's a bit of a stretch. The GE-designed nuclear reactors at Fukushima were mostly problem-free for almost 40 years until the combined effects of a magnitude 9.0 earthquake and major tsunami caused the cooling system of four of the reactors to fail. Tokyo Electric Power Company's (TEPCO) decision to lower the bluff where the reactors were located is partly to blame for the failure of the reactor's cooling systems.
Fukushima plant site originally was a hill safe from tsunami | The Japan Times Online

Over 30% of the parts in the 787 are outsourced, compared to just 5% in the 747. Ironically, the problematic lithium ion batteries in the 787 were made by GS Yuasa, which happens to be a Japanese company.
787 Dreamliner teaches Boeing costly lesson on outsourcing - Los Angeles Times
Windscreen crack is latest Boeing Dreamliner mishap - Yahoo! News
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:49 PM
 
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Boeing must be outsourcing development to India to cut costs...
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:29 AM
 
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Thank you for the rep without leaving your name. I appreciate your advice. I never intended to give up my lipstick and sense of fashion. It's part of who I am. I also have great hair!!!!

I don't think anyone would care if I didn't know about the teething pains of a new aircraft.

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