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How come the 2-4-3 Seating arrangement is not used for 9 abreast airliners anymore?
Because lovers of symmetry were so appalled that they made the airlines get rid of it!
But seriously, though, I've never seen a plane with that configuration. I used to see 2-5-2 a lot on twin-aisle planes, but this seems to have morphed to 3-3-3. Some of the less humane airlines have been packing 10-across on planes like the 777, but thankfully I haven't had to suffer with any of those yet.
But seriously, though, I've never seen a plane with that configuration. I used to see 2-5-2 a lot on twin-aisle planes, but this seems to have morphed to 3-3-3. Some of the less humane airlines have been packing 10-across on planes like the 777, but thankfully I haven't had to suffer with any of those yet.
Expect more and more airlines to use the 10-abreast on the 777s over time for economic reasons. The first ones to use that was Air France and Emirates, but it's spread to United, ANA, EVA Air, China Airlines, KLM and many others.
Will have to specifically find the ones that don't fly with them - I think Singapore Airlines, Cathay, Delta and JAL still have the 9-abreast cabins.
So Thats what killed 2-4-3
It was really an excellent idea pioneered by the designers of the Boeing 747 when it debuted. Too much asking.
Its interesting how the customer is no longer king in today's corporate climate. The only reason corporations pretend to be "nice" to customers is if they are afraid of losing them to the competition but now that competition has increasingly been stifled into a level playing field the customer would be always wrong.
I bet "Greenwashing" groups has plenty to do with airlines treating passengers like sardins, so they could claim to "reduce the carbon footprint" of operating flights half empty but with lots of luggage and food. Of course air cargo is exempt as they serve a special interest.
More cargo, more passengers per plane, less planes in the air, less luggage, less food, less ovens in the galley, is "best for the environment," screw the customers.
What makes you think airlines actually care about what perception is of their carbon footprint? What makes you even think customers care?
What makes you think airlines actually care about what perception is of their carbon footprint? What makes you even think customers care?
Never underestimate the power of "Greenwashing" groups around the world, they can get corporations to upset their customers in the name of reducing carbon footprint. Even if its just a false coverup to help the CEO pocket more earnings. The straw movement being a strong one, some cruise lines are even lying to guests that International law prohibits them from using straws in the high seas. But in reality they just want to pinch pennies for the corporate pockets in the name of saving the environment just because it became a eco fad, otherwise they will not even think of it. I mean cruise ships are environmental nightmares to begin with, like if they even care about the massive damage their ships cause in pristine areas.
Expect more and more airlines to use the 10-abreast on the 777s over time for economic reasons. The first ones to use that was Air France and Emirates, but it's spread to United, ANA, EVA Air, China Airlines, KLM and many others.
Will have to specifically find the ones that don't fly with them - I think Singapore Airlines, Cathay, Delta and JAL still have the 9-abreast cabins.
Korean Air still uses 9-abreast in their 777s, or at least they still did as of the summer of 2017. Haven't checked since then.
It’s interesting how Japan airlines, Korean air, Cathay still uses 9 breast. Even though they are based on places where people often live in cramped, crowded, quarters and are small and thin in stature compared to people elsewhere around the world. Sleeping capsule hotels are common in this part of the world. Even regular hotel rooms and beds are small in comparison.
So Thats what killed 2-4-3
It was really an excellent idea pioneered by the designers of the Boeing 747 when it debuted. Too much asking.
Its interesting how the customer is no longer king in today's corporate climate. The only reason corporations pretend to be "nice" to customers is if they are afraid of losing them to the competition but now that competition has increasingly been stifled into a level playing field the customer would be always wrong.
I bet "Greenwashing" groups has plenty to do with airlines treating passengers like sardins, so they could claim to "reduce the carbon footprint" of operating flights half empty but with lots of luggage and food. Of course air cargo is exempt as they serve a special interest.
More cargo, more passengers per plane, less planes in the air, less luggage, less food, less ovens in the galley, is "best for the environment," screw the customers.
Oh come on, it has JS to do with "greenwashing" and a lot to do with corporate greed. Seriously, don't overthink this.
It’s interesting how Asian airlines are not the first ones to pioneer the more crowded seating arrangement, despite Asians being smaller and thinner and being used to cramped quarters at Home, hotel rooms, in public transportation, public spaces, and even sleeping capsules.
Though if they can use 2-4-3 on Boeing 777s and 787s and A350s
It’s true it’s corporate greed in the name of acting green these days. Customer is no longer King instead far from it and getting farther and it’s spreading to more and more industries with each passing day and year.
It’s interesting how Asian airlines are not the first ones to pioneer the more crowded seating arrangement, despite Asians being smaller and thinner and being used to cramped quarters at Home, hotel rooms, in public transportation, public spaces, and even sleeping capsules.
Though if they can use 2-4-3 on Boeing 777s and 787s and A350s
It’s true it’s corporate greed in the name of acting green these days. Customer is no longer King instead far from it and getting farther and it’s spreading to more and more industries with each passing day and year.
Asian Airlines copy from their western counterparts. It takes them some years to adapt and copy. By the time they implement it, western airlines - due to their corporate greed - has made things more miserable for their passengers.
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