"If you're not in Birmingham, you're just in Alabama!" (Hoover: apartment complex, place to live)

[bluebeard]

Originally Posted by preguntas

I don't care if you are waiting or not, but you can look up the racial history of these cities to start.

Los Angeles
Tulsa (this is a big one)
St. Louis/East St. Louis (another big one)
Chicago (of course)
Kansas City, Mo. (major)
Detroit (goes without saying)
Philadelphia (no brotherly love there)


That is a good start for you. Now read about them and educate yourself. Btw, I like many of these cities but they do have a history strewn with problems. Even though, I can mention worse; but maybe not worse than Tulsa.

This is not my subject, but yours, I prefer more up to date information than that on which you dwell.

Try this too:
Oregon Was Founded As a Racist Utopia

[Tourian]

Originally Posted by ColdAilment

It's not as if Birmingham was a city just picked out of a hat. The city has a long history of injustice and racial tensions. I don't know where anyone is saying that the entire country or the north is free of that, but Birmingham has a far more bloody history than some.

No. The Tulsa and Watts riots were far more bloody than anything that happened in Birmingham. You are just a victim of the collective group of historians and text book writers that have decided to downplay (or ignore altogether when it comes to the Tulsa riots) events that happened outside of the south. The idea has been to paint the south as the place where all the bad stuff happened and the north as good and peaceful. As they say, the winner (in this case, the Civil War) gets to write the history books.

[MPC]

Originally Posted by ColdAilment

I spent over 4 years living in Mississippi. The nicer neighborhoods in the south are primarily made up of whites where the poor inner city neighborhoods are made up of blacks, there is very little mixing of the races. When cities like Jackson, New Orleans, and Birmingham are all around 70% black in the city and the suburbs are over 80% white then there's some serious racial division between city and suburbs. It's not difficult to compare Mountain Brook to Birmingham or Madison to Jackson and see the racial division between city and suburb black and white.

I agree about the division but I'm saying its even more so in the other regions than the south. There is division but not like other areas of the country.

[ashpelham]

This whole nation was built on agriculture to begin with, and enslaving people from africa against their will.

The USA will always have this in it's trouble past, and for any region to deny it, is to be very hypocritical. This is my biggest complaint with the current effort to remove all vestiges of that conflict of the past. If you forget your history, you are doomed to repeat it.

[bhamoutlook]

Originally Posted by ColdAilment

I urge you to disprove more racial and economic division in southern cities as just my opinion. I'm waiting.

I came across this a while ago and I'm glad I remembered it.

Chicago Is The Most Segregated City In America: Analysis « CBS Chicago

[jero23]

Originally Posted by ColdAilment

I spent over 4 years living in Mississippi. The nicer neighborhoods in the south are primarily made up of whites where the poor inner city neighborhoods are made up of blacks, there is very little mixing of the races. When cities like Jackson, New Orleans, and Birmingham are all around 70% black in the city and the suburbs are over 80% white then there's some serious racial division between city and suburbs. It's not difficult to compare Mountain Brook to Birmingham or Madison to Jackson and see the racial division between city and suburb black and white.

You used Jackson, Mississippi to judge Birmingham...boy stop... That's like me using Milwaukee to judge Chicago...

[SouthernBoy205]

Hoover, the largest suburb in the metro, is NOT over 80% white. Only few suburbs are over 80% white: Mountain Brook, Vestavia Hills, and a maybe 2 others.

[preguntas]

Not that it should matter enough to contest,but the guess was quite close and actually moving up after going down for about two years.
Here are the results of 2013. (latest complete except where noted)

Less than five percent off. Does that change anyone's life.

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People QuickFactsHooverAlabamaPopulation, 2013 estimate 84,1264,833,996Population, 2010 (April 1) estimates base 81,1454,780,127Population, percent change - April 1, 2010 to July 1, 2013 3.7%1.1%Population, 2010 81,6194,779,736Persons under 5 years, percent, 2010 6.8%6.4%Persons under 18 years, percent, 2010 25.0%23.7%Persons 65 years and over, percent, 2010 12.0%13.8%Female persons, percent, 2010 51.9%51.5% White alone, percent, 2010 (a) 75.1%68.5%Black or African American alone, percent, 2010 (a) 14.8%26.2%American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent, 2010 (a) 0.2%0.6%Asian alone, percent, 2010 (a) 5.1%1.1%Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent, 2010 (a) Z0.1%Two or More Races, percent, 2010 1.5%1.5%Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2010 (b) 6.0%3.9%White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2010 72.6%67.0%

[steveklein]

...And let's not forget that Hoover itself is a pretty big community stretching many miles. Much of the city is more than 80% white. There are a lot of apartments near the Galleria and along and near Lorna Road that are mainly black and hispanic. Other than that, Hoover is quite white.

As for "just Mountain Brooke, Vestavia, and maybe 2 others".... not really.

Indian Springs Village - 95% white
Trussville - 91% white
Moody - 89% white
Chelsea - 87% white
Gardendale - 85% white
Clay - 83% white
Helena - 81% white

There may be others. These are just the first ones I checked because I figured they'd be pretty white. And go figure... by and large, these are the suburbs everyone wants to live in. The only ones not on the list are Hoover and Homewood which are both mostly white but have small areas of their cities where there are a ton of blacks and hispanics to knock them below the 80% threshold city-wide.

[SouthernBoy205]

I stand corrected, but blacks are still everywhere in the metro.