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Old 08-07-2015, 02:16 AM
 
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Present texts of Buddhism have gradually include that plants, animal and even microbial life have the ability to become the Enlightened.
It shows that Buddhist texts have recognize consciousness and emergent are present in all form of Life.
What do you think?
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Old 08-07-2015, 03:25 AM
 
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Present texts of Buddhism have gradually include that plants, animal and even microbial life have the ability to become the Enlightened.
It shows that Buddhist texts have recognize consciousness and emergent are present in all form of Life.
What do you think?
Microbial life is probably in a very similar level of consciousness as plants. But if a plant, animal, or microbe can attain the qualities of Enlightenment to depart from the cycle of misery, then they must be very simple and accidental qualities. Buddhist texts should keep growing to recognize that there is no escape from reality and that often-imagined Buddhist cosmology is just that. There is no extra-physical entity that is the wished for "immortal us" and there is no rebirth for the dying, just real death and the recycling of matter and conscious-less energy. That the Id (natural instinct or bodily inclination) is driven not to die or to not accept death is of no consequence to the reality outside of the desire and outside of the perceptions. If people rely on their baser "survival-mode" when they simply accept that death is true and final, then they simply must attain the education necessary to accept the reality that the baser "survival-mode" might be more of a hinderance and nuisance to a happy and productive society (or ecosystem).
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Old 08-07-2015, 06:02 AM
 
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Far wiser (whether true or not) than the dodgy desert religions. A reminder that from a cosmic POW human life is no more - or less 'relevant' than any other.
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Old 08-07-2015, 09:51 PM
 
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Present texts of Buddhism have gradually include that plants, animal and even microbial life have the ability to become the Enlightened.
It shows that Buddhist texts have recognize consciousness and emergent are present in all form of Life.
What do you think?
When we read the Buddhist sutras or any religious texts, one need to be mindful of who [of different spiritual levels] are the texts are specifically directed at.

I believe those texts you are referring to are directed to certain specific Buddhists but not all. Regardless, this point can only be positive and as modernist1 stated it indicate humans co-share and are interdependent with all other living things. However at another higher level we need not take it too literally.

Note one critical elements of the Boddhisattva's vow;
Putting such broad vision into practice requires that we relate to situations very clearly and perfectly. In order to drop our self-centeredness, which both limits our view and clouds our actions, it is necessary for us to develop a sense of compassion. Traditionally this is done by first developing compassion toward oneself, then toward someone very close to us, and finally toward all sentient beings, including our enemies.
The Bodhisattva -- Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche - Lion's Roar#
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Old 08-08-2015, 02:37 PM
 
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Far wiser (whether true or not) than the dodgy desert religions. A reminder that from a cosmic POW human life is no more - or less 'relevant' than any other.
Dodgy desert religion indeed. I can't recall anything (besides architecture) actually offered to humanity.

POV. POV is Point Of View. POW is prisoner of war. I had to reread twice to figure out what you meant.

It feels like plants and microbes are already enlightened. They are so far beyond human desires and need that it seems senseless to even think of them in the same terms as things like bats or deer.
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Old 08-10-2015, 07:12 AM
 
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When we read the Buddhist sutras or any religious texts, one need to be mindful of who [of different spiritual levels] are the texts are specifically directed at.

I believe those texts you are referring to are directed to certain specific Buddhists but not all. Regardless, this point can only be positive and as modernist1 stated it indicate humans co-share and are interdependent with all other living things. However at another higher level we need not take it too literally.

Note one critical elements of the Boddhisattva's vow;
Putting such broad vision into practice requires that we relate to situations very clearly and perfectly. In order to drop our self-centeredness, which both limits our view and clouds our actions, it is necessary for us to develop a sense of compassion. Traditionally this is done by first developing compassion toward oneself, then toward someone very close to us, and finally toward all sentient beings, including our enemies.
The Bodhisattva -- Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche - Lion's Roar#
Oh really, I didn't know it was of specific Buddhists.
And i am still confused on the dodgy desert religion.
I have never even heard of this religion.
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Old 08-10-2015, 07:26 AM
 
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I just question the word 'attain'....they are already in the flow of the Universe...
at least MY cats and dogs are...and the microbes in my body are doing what they
are supposed to be doing, also...all of us happy as clams...experiencing this
3D place for awhile...
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