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Also, it seems, the tailgating IS the "stadium experience" that most fans like. Remember, just because somewhere else does some development doesn't mean it would work elseware.
Keep in mind that it is attached to Mattel and isn't moving away from East Aurora, if you read the full article. It is moving certain brands. Even so, the main point still stands, as you can use the other ideas or another theme to attract people to a mixed use development. Mentioning Fisher-Price and any issues it has doesn't change the ideas or potential for a mixed use development.
Also, even the tailgating aspect is something totally separate, as you can still tailgate and have a mixed use development nearby. As mentioned before, Power 5 college atmospheres have both tailgating and business districts, with nearby residential units, that are also active. I say this as someone that has gone to and/or worked at games at Syracuse University, Michigan State University and the University of Georgia.
I will say that we can't say that the NIMBY impact isn't a real thing in terms of stifling development in upstate NY, as illustrated in this thread.
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I will say that we can't say that the NIMBY impact isn't a real thing in terms of stifling development in upstate NY, as illustrated in this thread.
I don't know who you're talking about with this nonsence. I, myself am a pro development person. I don't advocate wasting money on developments, where the math doesn't work. All you would be getting is someone elses financial pain, and an embarrassment for the community when the tenants can't pay the rent, and get kicked out. That is, of course, if you can get financing in the first place.
I don't know who you're talking about with this nonsence. I, myself am a pro development person. I don't advocate wasting money on developments, where the math doesn't work. All you would be getting is someone elses financial pain, and an embarrassment for the community when the tenants can't pay the rent, and get kicked out. That is, of course, if you can get financing in the first place.
What "math" are you referring to? You haven't provided any "math". Besides, who says that you would have to be a part of the development of the land? There appears to be developers interested in the land.
Why would an area of the metro with population growth and 43% of the households making over $100k have an issue with rent? There are a variety of units that could be built on the land. For instance, this is a retirement development near the Towne Center at Fayetteville and Northeast Medical Center in the eastern suburbs of Syracuse: https://rlcommunities.com/communitie...SAAEgKngvD_BwE https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0394...8192?entry=ttu
Again, this is another example of the type of development that could take place with other types of housing, development, attractions, etc. for a more active area.
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What "math" are you referring to? You haven't provided any "math". Besides, who says that you would have to be a part of the development of the land? There appears to be developers interested in the land.
Why would an area of the metro with population growth and 43% of the households making over $100k have an issue with rent? There are a variety of units that could be built on the land. For instance, this is a retirement development near the Towne Center at Fayetteville and Northeast Medical Center in the eastern suburbs of Syracuse: https://rlcommunities.com/communitie...SAAEgKngvD_BwE https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0394...8192?entry=ttu
Again, this is another example of the type of development that could take place with other types of housing, development, attractions, etc. for a more active area.
Yeah, a retirement community. They love to spend their SS on frivolous things, and also go south for the winter.
I believe the only "interest" is those waiting for the ECC auction. Any other privately owned property in the area should already be under contract, if there is interest in the area. That's how developers work.
BTW, Fisher Price already has a museum and toy store, and seem to be fully embeded in EA.
Yeah, a retirement community. They love to spend their SS on frivolous things, and also go south for the winter.
I believe the only "interest" is those waiting for the ECC auction. Any other privately owned property in the area should already be under contract, if there is interest in the area. That's how developers work.
BTW, Fisher Price already has a museum and toy store, and seem to be fully embeded in EA.
Why wouldn't those that are retired want a medical center or stores in close proximity? Many would take that over having to drive further distances for shopping and medical care. Which is where the mixed use idea comes into play outside of just retail.
Fisher Price looks to have a store, but what I was thinking of was more in terms of a play area, people could make toys and other recreational aspects with that theme. It doesn't HAVE to be a Fisher-Price theme, but it made common sense to me due to the proximity of the locally based company. There were other ideas mentioned along the way for the land that could/would still bring year round activity without the Fisher-Price idea. Especially given that a developer in the article mentioned the Great Wolf Lodge, though there is a location in Niagara Falls Ontario. Hence, where the Kalahari idea came from due to going to the Poconos location(for an event, not the water park) and the fact that the Poconos has both Great Wolf and Kalahari. So, there is evidence of how both could exist within essentially the same area.
Why wouldn't those that are retired want a medical center or stores in close proximity? Many would take that over having to drive further distances for shopping and medical care. Which is where the mixed use idea comes into play outside of just retail.
Fisher Price looks to have a store, but what I was thinking of was more in terms of a play area, people could make toys and other recreational aspects with that theme. It doesn't HAVE to be a Fisher-Price theme, but it made common sense to me due to the proximity of the locally based company. There were other ideas mentioned along the way for the land that could/would still bring year round activity without the Fisher-Price idea. Especially given that a developer in the article mentioned the Great Wolf Lodge, though there is a location in Niagara Falls Ontario. Hence, where the Kalahari idea came from due to going to the Poconos location(for an event, not the water park) and the fact that the Poconos has both Great Wolf and Kalahari. So, there is evidence of how both could exist within essentially the same area.
Yeah, those latest layoffs of 100 people would love to learn the FP was spending money on that, while they lose their jobs. One of the largest local developers questioned whether a Great Wolf Lodge could even be financed. Why even bring that up as developer interest? I don't know how either of those would fit in with a football, or Bills themed development.
Yeah, those latest layoffs of 100 people would love to learn the FP was spending money on that, while they lose their jobs. One of the largest local developers questioned whether a Great Wolf Lodge could even be financed. Why even bring that up as developer interest? I don't know how either of those would fit in with a football, or Bills themed development.
Again, don't get stuck on Fisher-Price, when it doesn't have to be about F-P in terms of a theme.
This also isn't necessarily about a Bills themed development, but simply mixed use.
Also, this is what was actually said in the article: "Plenty of opportunities
Ciminelli suggested a private developer might be interested in building a planned-unit development, with a mix of single- and multifamily housing, townhouses and even senior living, as well as scaled retail and restaurants. Others have said the property would be ideal for a museum, amphitheater, recreational complex or small arena.
“That’s what other communities do when they do these types of stadium projects,†Ciminelli said.
But what may be needed the most in the area is a multifloor hotel.
In Orchard Park, there is not a single hotel in the village, and only three one-floor motels in the town – all on Southwestern Boulevard. Most efforts over the years to build a large hotel in the municipality have been thwarted by officials wanting the area to remain quaint.
Between the ECC property and other space that could become available on Southwestern Boulevard close to the stadium – the former Twin Oak Motel, which was demolished in 2021, and La Galleria banquet center, which is closed but not yet up for sale – there’s plenty of room for a hotel, said Don Lorentz, executive director of the Orchard Park Chamber of Commerce.
That could be a specialty hotel, such as a a Great Wolf Lodge, which is not only a resort, but also a water park, featuring restaurants, arcades, spas and children’s activities.
However, getting financing for a hotel next to a stadium that would only be guaranteed to be in high demand a handful of times a year could be a challenge, Ciminelli said."
Meaning, you can't just build a hotel with nothing else nearby to bring people to the area on a regular basis. Hence, mentioning Great Wolf Lodge, though Kalahari would make more sense.
In fact, to use the Syracuse area/CNY, you have an indoor waterpark at Greek Peak in Cortland County, but there is also a new one in the city of Oswego, with both about 35-45 minutes away and we're talking about a smaller metro in between the two. Both are also attached to lodging/hotels.https://www.greekpeak.net/waterpark/ , https://www.splashindoorwaterpark.com/
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Really? It should be obvious to everyone that Canadians like their side better. Just compare the two Niagara Falls. (no need to comment on NF).
That's not what I said and many Canadians come to the American side to visit other places like Ellicottville, etc. I think you know this. Besides, this isn't just about Canadians either.
Where did you get that Poconos idea from? The Poconos are 100 miles from NYC and Philadelphia with 26 million people. Ciminelli Real Estate has offices all over Florida.
Not to get off the subject, but Jacksonville has the Daily's Place amphitheater, which seats 5500 as an event center that is attached to the stadium. It was built by the Jags owner Shad Khan.
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