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Old 11-18-2016, 10:16 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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What are you talking about? The registration numbers for ACA were already anemic before Trump was elected.
The first is a "Graph by the Texas Public Policy Foundation." And you post no source for the other two, the latter of which is an estimate. Of what, southern states including Texas?

The middle one states "Age 18-34 Enrollment Percentage" and doesn't even list California.
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Old 11-18-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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The first is a "Graph by the Texas Public Policy Foundation." And you post no source for the other two, the latter of which is an estimate. Of what, southern states including Texas?

The middle one states "Age 18-34 Enrollment Percentage" and doesn't even list California.
I'm simply making the point that there is literally no data that shows ACA in any form is meeting it's "projected" goals.

Explain to me WHY Peter Lee feels the need to go on a state wide PR tour to increase enrollment numbers if Covered California was actually meeting its projections? Does that sound like what someone might do if Covered California was being overwhelmed by signups?
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Old 11-18-2016, 10:55 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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I'm simply making the point that there is literally no data that shows ACA in any form is meeting it's "projected" goals.

Explain to me WHY Peter Lee feels the need to go on a state wide PR tour to increase enrollment numbers if Covered California was actually meeting its projections? Does that sound like what someone might do if Covered California was being overwhelmed by signups?
Lol. You and your specious charts and graphs

The ACA sucks. Thanks to conservatives who oppose single-payer as every other advanced country in the world offers. But it did accomplish several goals and is a work in progress, as are lots of - if not virtually ALL - government programs. It covered millions without previous healthcare and put a temporary slow down in the rate of increasing health care costs, as has been previously demonstrated to you several times. While the industry has now regrouped to figure new ways to hold us all ransom, the premiums we all would have been paying, had not the ACA interrupted the heist, are unknowable. In spite of your blathering.

As to why the PR tour? It was just pointed out to you: to try to counter the assault against the program which has been both blatant and pernicious since before it was even enacted. Which assault against has been bankrolled by hugely well funded interests conducting a very well developed and designed campaign that includes a lot of false reporting, innuendo, and promises.
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Old 11-18-2016, 10:55 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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I'm simply making the point that there is literally no data that shows ACA in any form is meeting it's "projected" goals.
Your graphs have nothing to do with California.

"More than 59,000 people enrolled for health insurance in Covered California from Oct. 1 through Tuesday in a pace that in the first month outnumbered enrollment in 36 other states combined." More Obamacare Enrollees In California Than In 36 States Combined | The Huffington Post

"So you think Obamacare is a disaster? Here's how California is proving you wrong": How great is California

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Explain to me WHY Peter Lee feels the need to go on a state wide PR tour to increase enrollment numbers if Covered California was actually meeting its projections?
Already answered; scroll back.
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Old 11-18-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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Lol. You and your specious charts and graphs

The ACA sucks. Thanks to conservatives who oppose single-payer
i.e - My data doesn't support your desire for socialized healthcare.

You do know that socialized anything is why California is so populous right? The state you have stated on numerous occasions you want the population to decrease won't actually do so because of socialist ideas and desires.

Enjoy the extra 30,000,000 people in the next 20 years.
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Old 11-18-2016, 11:27 AM
 
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Your graphs have nothing to do with California.

[i]"More than 59,000 people enrolled for health insurance in Covered California from Oct. 1 through Tuesday in a pace that in the first month outnumbered enrollment in 36 other states combined."
Seeing as how enrollment nation wide is projected to be million short of projections, this isn't saying much.


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Answered where? You never addressed why Peter Lee feels the need to run a PR campaign to get more enrollment if Covered California is meeting its registration goals. Your very theory makes absolutely no sense.
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Old 11-18-2016, 11:31 AM
 
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Answered where? You never addressed why Peter Lee feels the need to run a PR campaign to get more enrollment
Post #209. Reading comprehension is your friend.
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Old 11-18-2016, 11:33 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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should we wait until Covered California just totally implodes?
It may not.

"More than 20 million Americans are newly insured under Obamacare, and many congressional leaders, including House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, understand the very real political costs of throwing them under the bus. So Obamacare is likely to continue through the end of 2017, and perhaps 2018."

How California can survive Trumpcare - LA Times
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Old 11-18-2016, 11:39 AM
 
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i.e - My data doesn't support your desire for socialized healthcare.

You do know that socialized anything is why California is so populous right? The state you have stated on numerous occasions you want the population to decrease won't actually do so because of socialist ideas and desires.

Enjoy the extra 30,000,000 people in the next 20 years.
It isn't a question of "my desire for socialized medicine." Single-payer is the only possibly affordable, rationally, and logistically manageable option for large, diverse, advanced, free societies. Otherwise the people that make up the society are being crushed. Get rid of 2/3 the people maybe and we can rethink. But, since that ain't gonna happen, get private, corporate avarice and greed out of such a basic equation. I'm not being socialist here a bit. Simply practical.

And no. I certainly don't know California is so populous due to any "socialization". First off, California is part of a democratic republic and isn't "socialist" by any definition whatsoever.

Second, California is heavily populated due to a number of desirous conditions. Not the least of which is its coast weather. Yeah, it's that big a reason. People haven't put California on their list of desired places to move to for the last 100+ years because of any socialization. Especially not true today since most of the people leaving are the low income. Your lack of logic is glaring. Again.

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Answered where? You never addressed why Peter Lee feels the need to run a PR campaign to get more enrollment if Covered California is meeting its registration goals. Your very theory makes absolutely no sense.
Yes. CA4now did answer your question previously. As I just repeated a few posts later.
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Old 11-18-2016, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Tulare County, Ca
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For whatever it's worth, here's Trump's healthcare reform policy as per his website. Some of his proposals look like they might be worth a try, and others not so much. I've also read somewhere that he's not opposed to a single payer program.

Healthcare Reform | Donald J Trump for President
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