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Old 06-15-2016, 12:49 PM
 
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Cancer is not a disease; it is a late-stage degenerative condition of an organ or tissue. Every year, the American Cancer Society wastes millions of dollars trying to create a wonder drug that magically cures the degeneration of every organ and tissue in the human body. Think for a second how ridiculous that is... acute nutritional support geared towards afflicted tissues/organs has a much better track record and actually addresses the needs of cancerous organs and tissues, but is not supported by the money-hungry ACS.

They do not understand how the human body works, but - through social pressure - they get people to blindly throw money to their projects. If you care about cancer, blowing money on making people "aware" is asinine. We all know what cancer is. Stop funding wasteful research. Stay away!

Cancer happens when the DNA inside a cell becomes damaged, normally, the DNA responds, by either repairing itself or instructing the cell to die. In cancer, the parts that become damaged, make the DNA unable to repair itself or instruct the cell to die, instead, it causes the cells to divide and grow uncontrollably. It will develop into a tumor with its own blood supply. Since cancer cells don't stick together as well as normal cells, they may break away, and enter a nearby blood vessel. They may travel to other areas of the body, creating more tumors, metastasis. They can also spread through the lymphatic​ system.

The only solution science has is chemotherapy, which cannot tell the difference between normal and damaged cells. It will also damage good normal fast growing cells such as bone marrow, digestive system, hair follicles. It weakens the immune system.

In order to have a real cure for cancer, we would need to find a way to enter each and every single damaged cell, repair the DNA material, and leave the cell undamaged, as if had never been damaged in the first place. This is science fiction and it will never happen.

 
Old 06-15-2016, 12:51 PM
 
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Isn't the main focus to combine better early detection and intervention protocols coupled with medicines that slow the process? If that could be perfected, isn't the theory to add years of quality life and not necessarily cure cancer? I don't think that's science fiction.
 
Old 06-15-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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Isn't the main focus to combine better early detection and intervention protocols coupled with medicines that slow the process? If that could be perfected, isn't the theory to add years of quality life and not necessarily cure cancer? I don't think that's science fiction.
I'm talking about singling out every single cancer cell, and instead of destroying them, find a way to repair their damaged DNA and turn them into normal cells, that is science fiction. Do you know of a way to even kill only the cancer cells without damaging normal cells?

I suppose if you believe in science fiction, you could say that someday, nanobots will do this.
 
Old 06-15-2016, 01:38 PM
 
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Isn't the main focus to combine better early detection and intervention protocols coupled with medicines that slow the process? If that could be perfected, isn't the theory to add years of quality life and not necessarily cure cancer? I don't think that's science fiction.

Me either. A quick Google search on cancer research nets an amazing list of ongoing projects some focused on doing exactly what the OP claims is impossible. Time will tell.
 
Old 06-15-2016, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Originally Posted by Exposito View Post
Cancer is not a disease; it is a late-stage degenerative condition of an organ or tissue. Every year, the American Cancer Society wastes millions of dollars trying to create a wonder drug that magically cures the degeneration of every organ and tissue in the human body. Think for a second how ridiculous that is... acute nutritional support geared towards afflicted tissues/organs has a much better track record and actually addresses the needs of cancerous organs and tissues, but is not supported by the money-hungry ACS.

They do not understand how the human body works, but - through social pressure - they get people to blindly throw money to their projects. If you care about cancer, blowing money on making people "aware" is asinine. We all know what cancer is. Stop funding wasteful research. Stay away!

Cancer happens when the DNA inside a cell becomes damaged, normally, the DNA responds, by either repairing itself or instructing the cell to die. In cancer, the parts that become damaged, make the DNA unable to repair itself or instruct the cell to die, instead, it causes the cells to divide and grow uncontrollably. It will develop into a tumor with its own blood supply. Since cancer cells don't stick together as well as normal cells, they may break away, and enter a nearby blood vessel. They may travel to other areas of the body, creating more tumors, metastasis. They can also spread through the lymphatic​ system.

The only solution science has is chemotherapy, which cannot tell the difference between normal and damaged cells. It will also damage good normal fast growing cells such as bone marrow, digestive system, hair follicles. It weakens the immune system.

In order to have a real cure for cancer, we would need to find a way to enter each and every single damaged cell, repair the DNA material, and leave the cell undamaged, as if had never been damaged in the first place. This is science fiction and it will never happen.
Of course cancer is a disease, and it happens more or less the way you describe. "Degenerative conditions" are diseases, too.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...e%20definition

A good diet can lower the risk of some cancers, but it is no guarantee. Not smoking and avoiding too much alcohol and too much sun can also lower the risk. Healthy, fit, well nourished people still develop cancers.

"... acute nutritional support geared towards afflicted tissues/organs has a much better track record and actually addresses the needs of cancerous organs and tissues ..." means exactly what? Cancers need nutrition, too. There is no dietary modification or nutritional supplement that will cause an established cancer to go away.

Chemotherapy is not the only way that cancer can be treated. Some are cured just with surgery, some with radiation therapy, and some with combinations of two or all of the three. Chemo and radiation therapy must walk a fine line, taking advantage of the fact that cancerous cells are just a bit more susceptible to the treatment than normal cells. Fortunately, the adverse effects on normal tissue mostly resolve when the treatment stops.

Newer approaches to treatment are indeed trying to narrow the focus to the abnormal cells. Take Keytruda, the drug President Carter took for his melanoma, which works by facilitating the immune system's ability to find and destroy cancerous cells.

Keytruda Just One of a New Class of Cancer Drugs to Restart the Immune System

Then there is this approach to treating certain brain tumors, recently featured on 60 Minutes:

Poliovirus cancer treatment by Duke researchers receives 'breakthrough' status from FDA | The Chronicle

And Gleevec, which blocks an enzyme that cells in a certain type of leukemia need to grow:

Gleevec (Imatinib Mesylate) Questions and Answers

The ACS educational program is geared toward actually promoting behaviors that reduce the risk of cancer and encouraging folks to take advantage of things that can find early, curable pre-cancers and cancers, such as Pap smears and colonoscopies.

It is not necessary to repair cancerous cells. We just need to eliminate them. That is why your approach is fictional and will never happen.
 
Old 06-15-2016, 01:59 PM
 
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It's called "targeted immunotherapy" and is already being done, but not for all cancers.
 
Old 06-15-2016, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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It's called "targeted immunotherapy" and is already being done, but not for all cancers.
OP's idea is a bit different, as he proposes a treatment that would repair DNA inside cancerous cells. That is unrealistic and not necessary.
 
Old 06-15-2016, 02:10 PM
 
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
Of course cancer is a disease, and it happens more or less the way you describe. "Degenerative conditions" are diseases, too.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...e%20definition

A good diet can lower the risk of some cancers, but it is no guarantee. Not smoking and avoiding too much alcohol and too much sun can also lower the risk. Healthy, fit, well nourished people still develop cancers.

"... acute nutritional support geared towards afflicted tissues/organs has a much better track record and actually addresses the needs of cancerous organs and tissues ..." means exactly what? Cancers need nutrition, too. There is no dietary modification or nutritional supplement that will cause an established cancer to go away.

Chemotherapy is not the only way that cancer can be treated. Some are cured just with surgery, some with radiation therapy, and some with combinations of two or all of the three. Chemo and radiation therapy must walk a fine line, taking advantage of the fact that cancerous cells are just a bit more susceptible to the treatment than normal cells. Fortunately, the adverse effects on normal tissue mostly resolve when the treatment stops.

Newer approaches to treatment are indeed trying to narrow the focus to the abnormal cells. Take Keytruda, the drug President Carter took for his melanoma, which works by facilitating the immune system's ability to find and destroy cancerous cells.

Keytruda Just One of a New Class of Cancer Drugs to Restart the Immune System

Then there is this approach to treating certain brain tumors, recently featured on 60 Minutes:

Poliovirus cancer treatment by Duke researchers receives 'breakthrough' status from FDA | The Chronicle

And Gleevec, which blocks an enzyme that cells in a certain type of leukemia need to grow:

Gleevec (Imatinib Mesylate) Questions and Answers

The ACS educational program is geared toward actually promoting behaviors that reduce the risk of cancer and encouraging folks to take advantage of things that can find early, curable pre-cancers and cancers, such as Pap smears and colonoscopies.

It is not necessary to repair cancerous cells. We just need to eliminate them. That is why your approach is fictional and will never happen.

I saw the 60 Minutes piece about the Poliovirus treatment out of Duke. Fascinating approach to cancer treatment and very promising. While we'll likely never see what the OP suggests, the combination of prevention and effective therapies will have the same outcome.
 
Old 06-15-2016, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Near Nashville TN
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Isn't the main focus to combine better early detection and intervention protocols coupled with medicines that slow the process? If that could be perfected, isn't the theory to add years of quality life and not necessarily cure cancer? I don't think that's science fiction.
You are 100% correct. Many people live with cancer for years and years, treating it like a chronic illness. Millions are spent each year in the hopes of developing better drugs and protocols to prolong life while holding the cancer at bay. Some people are cured. The cancer never returns.
 
Old 06-15-2016, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Mostly in my head
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The OP's premise belongs in Alt Med but the responses are rightfully in the Cancer forum. Closed as it is a hybrid.
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