Heaven Depends On Selecting The Right Earthly Pastor ?? (crucifixion, testimonies, doctrine)

[tonytonytony]

We have Earthly Pastor Leaders saying that putting the alcohol down is the Christian thing to do but don't get religious with water
baptism---John 3:5.

We have Earthly Pastor Leaders saying that atonement preaching is the way to go but don't tell people to take their costly array and jewelry off if they going to heaven---1 Peter 3:3.

They say tongues is the way to go to be so spiritual but don't mess with tongue rules to prove your a Christian-----ALL of 1 Cor. 14.

They say marriage is the way to go to void fornication but don't tell nobody they never can marry other people being
divorced---Romans 7:2-3.

They say love and honesty is the way to go but don't tell me my religion got to mess with the Sabbath----Hebrews 4.

They say sharing Christ with everybody is the way to go but don't tell women not to be pastors and preachers in church---1 Cor. 14:34-35 and
1 Timothy 2.

They say faith for positive outcomes is the way to go but don't tell me to segregrate from unbelievers---2 Cor. 6.

They say the bible is certainly Christianity but don't tell me I have to endorse all the bible to be a Christian----2 Timothy 3:16.

They say a relationship with God is the way to go but don't tell me I got to know people and find out if they 100% bible believers or
not-----1 Thess. 5:12 and Amos 3:3 and 2 Timothy 3:16.

They say a testimony is declaring to the world that Jesus is the savior of the world but don't tell me I'm not saved if I'm not a 100%
believer---John 8:31 and Matthew 5:18-20.

They say quiting a smoking habit makes a person so saved but don't tell me I'm not saved if I believe Jesus is the son of God only----John 8:24.

They say the Holy Spirit is so good but don't tell me my imagination can't make up what the Holy Spirit is saying---Romans 10:17 and John 6:63.

They say Christianity is about the death, burial and resurrection of Christ and about the 10 commandments only----Matthew 5:18-20 and
John 5:39.

They say anybody can be your Earthly Pastor if they preach and live this out only-----John 8:31 and 2 Timothy 3:16 and 1 Timothy 6 and
Luke 3:14.

They say nobody can lose their salvation if it's in atonement only
today-----John 8:31 and Romans 6:1.

They say 100% bible believers are heresy legalists making the cross be in vain------John 8:31 and Matthew 4:4 and John 5:39 and
Matthew 5:18-20.

They say human failure all the time makes you saved by the cross
only------Romans 6:1 and John 8:31 and 1 John 1:9 and
Matthew 5:18-20.

They say the right Earthly Pastor has nothing to do with going to
heaven-----Matthew 15:14 and Gal. 1:8-9.

They say fundamental bible believers of Christianity are your brethren in
Christ even if they mock 10% of the bible----2 Peter 1:20-21 and
Titus 3:10.

They say Christianity just about a nice Joe talking about a merciful Jesus
for mankind only------Colossians 2:10 and John 5:39 and Matthew 4:4
and Matthew 7:6 and 1 Thess. 5:12.

They say optimistic thinking and optimistic actions govern all the life of
Christianity in a believer---Jeremiah 10:23 and Romans 12:3 and
1 Cor. 8:2 and Luke 6:26 and Matthew 10:34-37 and Ephesians 4:14.

They say your optimistic outlook with your intuition is Christianity----Jeremiah 10:23 and Psalms 119:105 and John 5:39 and Jeremiah 17:9 and
Isaiah 64:6 and James 1:5 and John 14:26 and Acts 17:28.

They say the bible student life has nothing to do with being a Christian
really----2 Timothy 2:15 and John 5:39 and 1 John 2:27 and
Psalms 119:105 and Jeremiah 10:23 and Jeremiah 17:9 and Acts 17:28
and Matthew 4:4 and John 14:26.

Yet they begging for your money and submission like they deserve it cause they gave up cigarettes and alcohol only----2 Timothy 3:16 and John 8:31
and 1 Thess. 5:12 and 2 Cor. 6 and John 17:21 and Matthew 7:6.

They mock all the bible deciding if their your leader or not------2 Timothy 3:16 and Matthew 15:14 and John 8:31 and 2 Cor. 6.

This is a control freak demon that wants leadership unlawfully----1 Cor. 9:25.

This demon spirit more dangerous then worrying about a filthy lucre preacher only------Matthew 15:14.

The money crooks will be on the TV news for evil but not the delusional want to be leaders-----Matthew 15:14.

Unlawful ministries don't want all the bible deciding whether their ministry is one to bless and endorse----1 Cor. 9:25.

Their gain is leadership not unity with 100% bible believers------1 Cor. 9:25 and Matthew 5:6 and Amos 3:3 and 2 Cor. 6 and John 17:21 and Psalms 133:1.

Lust for leadership explains many ministries not hunger for unity with 100% bible believers----Matthew 5:6 and Amos 3:3 and 2 Cor. 6 and 2 Tim. 3:16.

Their aim after lusting for leadership is to fill up buildings while they endorse the people esteeming 90% of the bible only----1 Cor. 9:25 and 2 Tim. 3:16.

That's why water baptism pools are not in a vast majority of churches today-----John 8:32 and John 3:5.

That's why we got every nice Joe in church and not 100% bible believers in churches-----Matthew 5:18-20 and John 8:32.

That's why we got testimonies of people being off of alcohol and drugs only------1 Peter 3:3 and John 8:32.

That's why we got cross preachers and not women rules in the church preachers----John 8:31 and John 8:32 and 1 Cor. 14:34-35 and 1 Timothy 2.

That's why we got optimistic people showing up for miracles only-----Hebrews 4 and John 8:31.

That's why people become the goal while unity and segregation is not the goal-----Psalms 133:1 and 2 Cor. 6 and Amos 3:3 and John 8:32.

That's why the focus is on a 1 on 1 with God only------John 17:21 and Psalms 133:1 and John 8:32.

[lovesMountains]

Heaven Depends On Selecting The Right Earthly Pastor ??



Actually it doesn't.

[Phazelwood]

Heaven Depends On Selecting The Right Earthly Pastor ??

Since it appears you are asking the question, I am assuming you would say that heaven has nothing to do with selecting the right earthy pastor.

At least that is my answer.

[tonytonytony]

Every Christian got to mess with Matthew 15:14.

Every Christian got to mess with Romans 13:1.

Submission to earthly leaders in spiritual authority is the book.

Selecting the right ones is the book too.

That's what we got on record with Matthew 15:14 and Romans 13:1.

No Tony saying this but the bible saying this----Romans 10:17.

No flesh spirit saying this but the Holy Spirit of the bible saying this
only----John 6:63 and 1 John 2:27.

Our problem is unlawful leaders wanting leadership over us
today-----1 Cor. 9:25.

No lawful leader over anybody if all the bible can't decide if somebody
a pastor over somebody or not-----2 Timothy 3:16 and Matthew 15:14.

Unlawful leaders want you to disapprove of cigarettes and alcohol
while they encourage you to mock water baptism as a Christian.

They want you to go off in tongues and yet mock tongue rules
in the bible----ALL 1 Cor. 14.

They want you to obey the 10 commandments like them but mock Christian attire to be a Christian----1 Peter 3:3.

They want you to be nonjudgmental like them but mock the Sabbath to be a Christian----Hebrews 4.

They want you to be married like them to avoid fornication but they mock you defending Romans 7:2-3 to be a Christian.

They want you to preach the cross like them but they can't stand for you to say 100% bible believers are saved only----Matthew 5:18-20 and
John 8:31.

They want you to be friends to everybody in Jesus like them but they want you to mock Christian segregation to be a Christian---2 Cor. 6 and
1 Thess. 5:12 and Amos 3:3.

They want you to endorse the bible like them but they want you to mock 10% of the bible and call yourself a Christian----John 8:31 and
2 Peter 1:20-21 and 2 Timothy 3:16.

These are unlawful leaders begging for your submission while they trap you into a ditch----Matthew 15:14 and 1 Cor. 9:25.

Knowing a Christian in 5 minutes is not the book----1 Thess. 5:12
and John 8:31 and 2 Timothy 3:16.

An average nice Joe the blood boaster is not saved---Matt. 5:18-20.

Only 100% bible believers are saved---John 8:31 and Matthew 4:4.

While they have human failure all the time too they have a lawful
petition to live out 1 John 1:9 ONLY---1 Cor. 9:25 and John 8:32.

Originally Posted by Phazelwood

Since it appears you are asking the question, I am assuming you would say that heaven has nothing to do with selecting the right earthy pastor.

At least that is my answer.

[WhiteWings]

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

Only 100% bible believers are saved---John 8:31 and Matthew 4:4.

What if, say, 1% of their beliefs was wrong?
Only God is at the 100% level.

[Mr5150]

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

Only 100% bible believers are saved---John 8:31 and Matthew 4:4.

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So much for trusting in Jesus, in your opinion.

One can be wrong on doctrine and still be saved. Yes it is true! Read John Chapter 3 and find out why.

IMO if one accepts Jesus as Lord and Savior and yet goes to the "wrong" church does he or she get unsaved? I think not. The blood of Jesus covers all sin. To those who sincerely trust in Jesus they are saved regardless of who their pastor is, and we are not saved by being, as you say, 100% Bible believers. What if I think that the story of Noah or the account of Genesis chapter 1 are not literal? Do I as one who trusts in Jesus lose my salvation?

[cxjonz]

Salvation from eternal death exclusively depends upon hearing, believing and obeying the correct message which teaches you what Way you must have the faith to obey God in regard to Jesus' crucifixion as a sin. Who states the message is immaterial.

[Torpedos]

That is a long post. I cannot read such a thing, then have to cross reference with the Bible. From what i read, i think people think the word pastor is in the bible. it is not. The whole one man as a leader of a church stifles christian growth. People go to that man to baptize, why do they do that? They go to that person for a prayer, why? they go to that man to be married, why? People come every sunday to listen to that person, why? in fact, many times the church service was good if the message was good. I say having one person as a leader of a church is usually a hinderance to christian growth.