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I'm so sorry. May I ask how long have you been afflicted with the inability to admit when you're wrong?
Hiding behind obfuscation & semantics to avoid manning up is more than a little sad ....... not to mention pathetic.
The Lord's Supper and the Eucharist are 2 different things. In a Baptist, Bible Church, etc...we celebrate the Lord's Supper and Baptism as 2 ordinances. In the Catholic Church, the Eucharist is one of 7 Sacraments. They are not the same.
In the discussion to this point, I was under the impression we were discussing the Lord's Supper, a remembrance.
A lot of the fighting during the European reformation was on this subject. Real blood was shed and real people were imprisoned on both sides of the issue. Did Jesus and the apostles intend the body of Christ act like this? Most certainly not. Where's the love? Obviously there isn't any. This is a control issue. Nothing less.
Unfortunately the Truth has taken a beating on this issue. From the beginning, the church got it wrong.
In the post modern church the Roman Catholics crucify Christ at the altar every time
and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
sorry, that's NOT the Eucharistic theology of the Catholic (or Orthodox) Church. Christ is not "crucified" or "killed" (how can He?) but He CONTINUES His ETERNAL offering to the Father as the "great High Priest" so that participants in the "breaking of the bread" can continue to receive the benefits of His sacrifice on Calvary . Catholics believe they are united with the Christ in that offering in the UNBLOODY memorial/representation of the Eucharist.
I would strongly suggest a careful reading of the non-partisan and non-denominational Wikipedia article "Eucharistic theology" most especially the section on "Catholic Church" which in greater detail (and likely more effectively, LOL) explains the Catholic understanding (which again does NOT involve in theory or practice "crucifying" Christ) of the Eucharist.
and that's just me whispering from somewhere in the pews....
in the peace of Christ our common Lord and Savior.
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1 Corinthians 11:17-34 speaks about the Lord's Supper.
27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.
Some pastors/churches want to be certain partakers first understand exactly what the Lord's Supper is. My pastor asks that newcomers talk to him before partaking. I don't see anything wrong with that.
It does not say that the pastor is to examine the individual, but the individual himself, before he partakes...
and in fact this was the practice of many churches prior to roughly the mid part of the last century. think one of the results in theory and practice of the ecumenical movement at least in some part was a greater degree of "inter-communion" and "open communion" in Christian bodies.
The Lord's Supper and the Eucharist are 2 different things. In a Baptist, Bible Church, etc...we celebrate the Lord's Supper and Baptism as 2 ordinances. In the Catholic Church, the Eucharist is one of 7 Sacraments. They are not the same.
In the discussion to this point, I was under the impression we were discussing the Lord's Supper, a remembrance.
You can pretend that it means anything you'd like, afternoon tea with Mickey Mouse if you want but that doesn't change the fact that the Eucharist & Communion are one & the same thing.
Put your big boy pants on, admit that you were wrong. You lose all credibility by trying to convince others that you weren't by playing semantics.
You'll never be able to learn a single thing with this obstinate disingenuous attitude.
One more time for the slower kiddies in the class; EUCHARIST = HOLY COMMUNION.
certainly the names have at times been used interchangeably and OTOH, various Christians can and do have various interpretations and beliefs about what the whole thing really "means" and "does". that said, think many Christians would agree that BY ANY NAME you call it "bread" and "wine" are shared/consumed in "remembrance" of Jesus and His work of salvation, love, and mercy for us and in obedience to His command to "do this..." and beyond that things get much more difficult to pin down sad to say---may God help us all to be in a true "communion" of love with God and our neighbor whatever our theology and practice may be!!!
in the peace of Christ.
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In conservative Lutheran churches only confirmed members are allowed to take. The Pastor will make exceptions, and will also allow visitors from sister Lutheran cong.
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