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Procreation outside of marriage, usually leaves a child without one parent? When you condemn others, often times, you also condemn yourself?
Indeed, "we will reap, what we have sown."
I have no idea what this has to do with this discussion.
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As for the bible, it's mostly that of man's perceptions.
Well maybe your perceptions but not mine. If it varies according to a persons perception, then either the Bible is valueless or that persons perceptions are.
Actually, I'd prefer that all the people who think the LGBT community is awash is sin take a look at what's going on in every Christian church in America where, I've learned from these threads, men are lusting after the great looking divorcee in the front row. If you're worried about sin separating people from God you might start pointing out all the sins of the people sitting in churches. Which, if you do a thorough job, would leave you pretty much zero time to worry about anyone else.
Thanks for asking.
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Oh I agree with you. Sin anywhere is sin and the Churches are full of it. (Pun intended).
Now who started this thread? A question for information is going to get responses even if the same response is given to willful sinners in a church. Can't ignore either one.
The arrogance that you THINK you know what is sin in God's eyes stems from the unwarranted belief that the Bible is God's word especially the OT ancient ignorance created during our barbarous and savage past. Besides . . . it is not our job to police anyone else but ourselves. We are too human and too ignorant. God is neither.
Maybe your God, but the God of the Bibnle has made it plain. You can accept it or reject it, but it doesn't change what the Bible clearly says.
The Gay community can do as they please. However according to the Bible sex outside a Biblical marriage is a sin.
Now as to ignorance, the savagery of modern man far exceeds that of the past generations., so that argument fails.
I agree we should be policing ourselves. That however does not mean we cannot speak to any issue. That can help sinners change, if they want to. If not they are as free as the people in Noah's day were, to do as they please.
Yes it does, but it starts with self control not permission to sin.
No, it does not. One can't stop being gay. And since gays apparently aren't allowed to get married and most were not given the gift of celibacy, the Bible provides no remedy.
You really have no clue what you're talking about.
No, it does not. One can't stop being gay. And since gays apparently aren't allowed to get married and most were not given the gift of celibacy, the Bible provides no remedy.
You really have no clue what you're talking about.
And you have no clue. You are repeating what is popularly believed.
Celibacy for gays is no more difficult than celibacy for those who are straight. Yes for some it is more difficult, of any orientation, but not impossible. Sex is not mandatory in anyone's life and yes anyone can avoid it. it just takes a little self control and intelligence. Unless you want to insist Gays are less intelligent and have less self control?
The Bible provides a remedy. Loving God more than self. Men have been tortured and died for that love. Avoiding sex is far simpler.
Sex, in and of itself is not a sin, but there can be consequences.
I never said, "it didn't have value?"
Then again, that's your perception?
Sex outside of Biblical marriage is a sin according to the Bible. Now if you don't believe the bible why bother to comment on what it teaches. The Bible is clear. You either accept it or reject it.
The consequences of not accepting the bible as literal truth is spiritual growth and the advent of true knowledge.
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Well maybe your perceptions but not mine. If it varies according to a persons perception, then either the Bible is valueless or that persons perceptions are.
The idea that ALL the Bible is the word of God and inerrant or NONE of it is God-inspired . . . is nonsense. Inspiration is not dictation and the different books were written by different unknown authors at different times for different reasons. Pretending it is one uniform document from God is absurd. We have been given the ability to discern for a reason. We are supposed to use it . . . "to show we are approved . . . rightly dividing the word of truth" Jesus is the Word of God and the word of truth . . . not the OT prophets.
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The arrogance that you THINK you know what is sin in God's eyes stems from the unwarranted belief that the Bible is God's word especially the OT ancient ignorance created during our barbarous and savage past.
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Maybe your God, but the God of the Bibnle has made it plain. You can accept it or reject it, but it doesn't change what the Bible clearly says.
Now as to ignorance, the savagery of modern man far exceeds that of the past generations., so that argument fails.
If you don't recognize the savagery and barbarity of our ignorant ancient ancestors . . . you have not studied our history very well. Any comparison to modern civiliztion is ludicrous.
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It is not our job to police anyone else but ourselves. We are too human and too ignorant. God is neither.
The way people keep from dealing with their own failings is by focusing on the perceived failings of others, Dew. It has always been so.
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I agree we should be policing ourselves. That however does not mean we cannot speak to any issue. That can help sinners change, if they want to. If not they are as free as the people in Noah's day were, to do as they please.
Since we each stand before God and answer for ourselves . . . that is where our concern should remain. What others do that does not violate our society' laws, safety and security is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.
Homosexuality is a sin. Telling someone that it is a sin is not the same thing as holding someone accountable for it. Whe the woman caught in adultry sinned Jesus dind't rebuke them for calling audltry a sin. Jesus rebuke them for wanting to cast stones at her when they themselves had sin also.
Bearing false witness and lying is a sin. Which is probably why so many anti-gay people want to remain ignorant about the original context of the biblical texts they use to bash gay and lesbian people. They also want to remain ignorant about homosexuality so they can pretend that gay and lesbian people actually choose their orientation..
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