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Old 11-11-2012, 11:28 AM
 
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Divine Healing.

It was part of the ministry of Jesus Christ when He was on this earth and it was continued by the early apostles.

It is part of the ministry of the true ministers of God today. I know this to be true. I have been anointed and divinely healed a number of times and have witnessed others who had been anointed and healed as well.

What percentage of Christian church congregations in America have doctrines in place where all the members go to their minister to be anointed and healed of all their afflictions?

And what percentage of Christian church congregations in America have actual divine healings take place and medical treatments are not required?

I believe the answers to these questions would be shocking!

This nation needs to wake up to the fact that the Christianity they are a part of is absolutely false! There is no real God and real Jesus Christ in their lives else the medical profession would be out of business today.

Wake Up America! Ezekiel's warning never was delivered to the ancient House of Israel but in God's Word that warning is recorded for all to see and is going out to the modern descendants of the ancient House of Israel:

Ezekiel 5:
12 A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee: and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee; and I will scatter a third part into all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them.

Besides the warning that 2/3 of our people being killed by famine, disease and military attacks (most likely nuclear), there is a warning about the shepherds not healing their flocks:

Ezekiel 34:
2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
5 And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.
6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.

Are you sick? Does your minister even care? Does he? Can he anoint you with oil and pray over you so that you will be completely divinely healed? Can he? You better answer these questions truthfully before it is too late.

James 5:
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Our nation is full of sick people and false ministers who can't anoint them and have God heal them!

I challenge all, everyone of you to prove my words false because I believe they are absolutely TRUE!!!

Again, America! Wake Up!!!!!!
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:55 AM
 
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The annointing is not there,,,why?? Not allowed- too much carnality- sin- coldness (no love), and NO faith to believe it- God is the same and we have changed to the dark side,,, again-- Ichabod !!!
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:45 AM
 
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i think the church buildings have gotten too big. most think that big buildings equal big annointing. but when i hear a person say " my pastor", but have never even approached the pastor is crazy. The pastor should know his sheep. some churches even have security guards for their leaders.
I say keep it small, so you dont get people upset becasue you took their seat.
america is not going to wake up, many are looking for a great day where there will be deception everywhere......turn on TBN and you will realize that we are living in it.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:47 PM
 
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Perhaps there is too much confusion about who the 'ministers' are (?) -- Hasn't God ordained ALL believers through Christ's Great Commission and indwelling Holy Spirit ... to live and act as Ministers of the Gospel? Perhaps too many believers are expecting the institutional church and 'ministers with seminary degrees only' to do the work of the 'body of Christ' on earth.

The horrific conditions we all see on earth are certainly consistent with 'End Times Bible prophecy.' However, every generation of all times has had an equal reason to believe that they were living in the 'End Times' ... BUT, as is the case today, chose to live "as in the days of Noah". As we can know from Revelation and other prophecy, neither mankind (or any other collective group ... eg; America) is going to wake-up before the final End Time, Great Tribulation judgments come upon the earth. ALL we can do is prepare our own hearts ... and pray that we will remain faithful...while sharing the truth with others.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:14 PM
 
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GAL 3:5 "He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?" You will receive nothing through the works of the law because you will boast that you did it. Too many want to preach the law rather than preach faith in Christ, who alone does the work of cleaning the soul and spirit and the giving of "Power and Glory" to follow Christ.

Those who preach the law have disqualified others from being justified by faith because they think you must be perfect first in order to receive from God. Not so. Perfection begins only by believing in Christ who alone has the Power to give to those who want to become the sons and daughters of God. "You must be born again" of the Spirit, not the flesh.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:29 PM
 
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GAL 3:5 "He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?" You will receive nothing through the works of the law because you will boast that you did it. Too many want to preach the law rather than preach faith in Christ, who alone does the work of cleaning the soul and spirit and the giving of "Power and Glory" to follow Christ.

Those who preach the law have disqualified others from being justified by faith because they think you must be perfect first in order to receive from God. Not so. Perfection begins only by believing in Christ who alone has the Power to give to those who want to become the sons and daughters of God. "You must be born again" of the Spirit, not the flesh.
I believe that we have to have the Holy Spirit to be able to keep the commandments of Christ. But according to Acts 5:32 God gives the Holy Ghost to those who obey him. Heb. Ch. 5 says Christ became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him. But if we keep His commandments, it is the Spirit working in and through us that does the work and we haven nothing of which we can boast.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:50 PM
 
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You cannot "faith your way into the Kingdom of God." It is not YOUR faith that actually saves you. It is the faith OF Christ that is put into you when you receive God's Holy Spirit, else you would go around bragging that you had more faith than someone else.

So, neither your works will save you nor will your own faith save you but you must be led by God's Holy Spirit to do the Works of God which includes keeping God's Commandments and His Holy Sabbaths and you have to have the faith, not something you work up and can brag about, but you have to actually have the faith OF Christ, the very faith that Christ had when He performed the miracles that He did on this earth about 2,000 years ago. And again this is not YOUR faith but it is Christ's faith that comes when you receive God's Holy Spirit and it is the actual faith that allows ministers today to be able to pray the prayer of faith and anoint the members of their flock and have God heal them.

False ministers who talk about faith and yet lack the faith to be able to pray the prayer of faith and have God divinely heal their members should examine themselves and find out why God is not healing the ones that they are responsible for. They should consider trying to obey God and teach others to obey God which is the example the real Jesus Christ set for us to follow.

So those who are proud and arrogant about their own faith are just as deceived as those who are proud and arrogant about their own works. They are just as blind about their own "self-saving" assumptions.

We need to wake up and obey God and Christ and quit trying to take shortcuts to try to get into God's Kingdom. And no one is born into God's Kingdom while in the flesh because flesh and blood cannot enter into or inherit the Kingdom of God. It is when those who have God's Holy Spirit are resurrected from the dead, it is at that time they are born again into the Kingdom of God at the First resurrection for those who have God's Holy Spirit and are dead at this time.

So, a person who receives God's Holy Spirit at this time is in a begotten state and will not be born into the Kingdom until Christ Returns to set up the Kingdom on this earth.

It's time we got our eyes open to these facts made very plain in the Bible and put away these false doctrines that so many have come to believe today.

Title: Just What Do You Mean...Born Again?
Author: Herbert W Armstrong
Date: 1962, 1971, 1972
Type: Booklet
Type Media: PDF

http://www.cog-web-svc.com/hwa/books...s/pdf/born.pdf


Title: The Plain Truth About Healing
Author: Herbert W Armstrong
Date: 1979
Type: Booklet
Type Media: PDF

http://www.cog-web-svc.com/hwa/books...df/healing.pdf
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:44 PM
 
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You cannot "faith your way into the Kingdom of God." It is not YOUR faith that actually saves you. It is the faith OF Christ that is put into you when you receive God's Holy Spirit, else you would go around bragging that you had more faith than someone else.

So, neither your works will save you nor will your own faith save you but you must be led by God's Holy Spirit to do the Works of God which includes keeping God's Commandments and His Holy Sabbaths and you have to have the faith, not something you work up and can brag about, but you have to actually have the faith OF Christ, the very faith that Christ had when He performed the miracles that He did on this earth about 2,000 years ago. And again this is not YOUR faith but it is Christ's faith that comes when you receive God's Holy Spirit and it is the actual faith that allows ministers today to be able to pray the prayer of faith and anoint the members of their flock and have God heal them.

False ministers who talk about faith and yet lack the faith to be able to pray the prayer of faith and have God divinely heal their members should examine themselves and find out why God is not healing the ones that they are responsible for. They should consider trying to obey God and teach others to obey God which is the example the real Jesus Christ set for us to follow.

So those who are proud and arrogant about their own faith are just as deceived as those who are proud and arrogant about their own works. They are just as blind about their own "self-saving" assumptions.

We need to wake up and obey God and Christ and quit trying to take shortcuts to try to get into God's Kingdom. And no one is born into God's Kingdom while in the flesh because flesh and blood cannot enter into or inherit the Kingdom of God. It is when those who have God's Holy Spirit are resurrected from the dead, it is at that time they are born again into the Kingdom of God at the First resurrection for those who have God's Holy Spirit and are dead at this time.

So, a person who receives God's Holy Spirit at this time is in a begotten state and will not be born into the Kingdom until Christ Returns to set up the Kingdom on this earth.

It's time we got our eyes open to these facts made very plain in the Bible and put away these false doctrines that so many have come to believe today.
This is just totally incorrect. While we are flesh and blood, we are also spirit (1 Thess. 5:23). Our spirit is where the Holy Spirit resides - which allows us to be born again into the kingdom. Flesh and blood returns to the ground. The spirit of the believer goes to be with the Lord upon earthly death. Believers have already been transferred to Christ's kingdom (Col. 1:13 - note "transferred" is past tense - it's already done).

Our faith in the gospel of Christ is the vehicle by which we are saved. Without it, we do not receive the Holy Spirit. And according to Rom. 8:9 and 1 John 5:12, if we don't have the Spirit, we are not one with Christ.

And why are you linking all of this to healing? No believer's physical health is guaranteed to be good at all times.
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Old 11-16-2012, 03:13 AM
 
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This is just totally incorrect. While we are flesh and blood, we are also spirit (1 Thess. 5:23). Our spirit is where the Holy Spirit resides - which allows us to be born again into the kingdom. Flesh and blood returns to the ground. The spirit of the believer goes to be with the Lord upon earthly death. Believers have already been transferred to Christ's kingdom (Col. 1:13 - note "transferred" is past tense - it's already done).

Our faith in the gospel of Christ is the vehicle by which we are saved. Without it, we do not receive the Holy Spirit. And according to Rom. 8:9 and 1 John 5:12, if we don't have the Spirit, we are not one with Christ.

And why are you linking all of this to healing? No believer's physical health is guaranteed to be good at all times.
No, a true Christian is not composed of spirit, but is still flesh and blood and has the Holy Spirit rather than IS a spirit. When one is born again in the Kingdom of God they become Spirit Beings, members of God's very Family. One is not spirit now and must endure until the end. One can even quench God's Holy Spirit and turn away from the Truth and be destroyed forever, so you are jumping the gun about being born into the Kingdom of God.

King David had God's Holy Spirit and he was not yet born again into God's Kingdom. He is dead in his grave waiting for the Resurrection along with all the other dead saints, waiting to be born again into God's coming Kingdom on this earth when Christ returns. And you do not have an immortal soul. That false doctrine came from those who embraced the teachings of Plato.

The link that I posted to Mr. Armstrong's booklet explains clearly the link to one's physical health with properly acknowledging the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Skip down to the heading "At the Passover Service".

Here, Mr. Armstrong quotes from 1 Corinthians 11:

1 Corinthians 11:
23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

"The Revised Standard Version translates that last sentence: 'That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died'—not realizing Jesus Himself paid the penalty for physical transgressions of the laws of the human body, by allowing His body to be broken open by many stripes, and not relying on the living Christ for their HEALING! Is it His WILL to heal us? This passage, especially as emphasized in the RSV, says we shall be judged if we NEGLECT (see Hebrews 2:3) so great a price paid so that we might be kept whole!"

Title: The Plain Truth About Healing
Author: Herbert W Armstrong
Date: 1979
Type: Booklet
Type Media: PDF

http://www.cog-web-svc.com/hwa/books...df/healing.pdf

How many Christians really take the Passover (instead of the pagan Easter) once a year and truly examine themselves and take the Passover properly and who realize that Jesus Christ actually gave His body to be beaten and broken for the healing of a Christian's body by paying the penalty for physical transgressions?

Christ's beatings and suffering He endured are for our physical healing. Many ignore this and going to the doctors to be "healed" instead.

Isaiah 53:
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

1 Peter 2:
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

The Passover service each year is the most solemn occasion for the whole year. A true Christian should take it properly and realize the enormous sacrifice that Jesus Christ gave not only for one to be spiritually forgiven and saved but also for our physical healing as well.

True Christianity involves the care for our physical bodies as well and many ministers posing as ministers of Jesus Christ are neglecting their flocks and many of their members are sick and/or dead as a result as the scripture points out in the RSV:

"That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died" -- not realizing that Christ paid the penalty for the healing of our physical transgressions as well.

1 Corinthians 11: [RSV]
27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord.
28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.
30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.

And one should be able to go to the ministers and be healed, properly following the instructions found in James:

James 5:
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Modern Christianity should be condemned! They are killing people both spiritually and physically with their false doctrines. The scriptures quoted above and the words from Mr. Armstrong are witnesses against them and they will have to give an account one day for all the evil they have done!

It's about time this nation woke up to the plain truth and turned to the real God and the real Christ!

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Old 11-16-2012, 05:22 PM
 
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JN 4:7-10 "There came a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus said unto her, Give me to drink. (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.) Then said the woman of Samaria unto Him, How is it that You, being a Jew, asks drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jesus answered and said unto her, If you knew the gift of God, and who it is that says to you, Give me to drink; you would have asked of Him, and He would have given you lLving Water."


JN 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in Truth." Only by being "born again" in spirit of the Holy Spirit can one worship in Spirit and in Truth. Otherwise "
JN 4:22 "You worship what you do not know."
JN 6:63 "It is the Spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are Life."
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