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They were never created. They have always existed and always will.
As far as Jesus, the human body was of course conceived and developed within the womb of His mother. The point of Jesus as God is about a part or aspect of God which John called the Word which existed along with the third aspect or part of God known as the Holy Spirit. I say "aspect or part" because the percieved unity is spiritual and can't be described in physical terms. In other words, we as physical beings can't really understand it, but are required by most of Christianity to "believe" it.
Who created Jesus and the Holy Spirit? I would like to the Christian perspective on that.
All three 'Persons' of the Godhead have eternally existed. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are co-equal and co-eternal. The Second Person of the Trinity whose human name is Jesus created all that has been created as per John 1:3 and Col. 1:16-17, but He Himself never had a beginning.
Colossians 1:15 says that Jesus is the firstborn of creation, and some people wrongly think this means that Jesus was created. But the word firstborn - prōtotokos in the Greek simply refers to Jesus' priority and supremacy over all of creation. Jesus is sovereign over all that has been created.
Col. 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn (prōtotokos) of all creation.
It should be noted that while as God Jesus has always existed, as man He had a beginning.
John 1:1 with 1:14, and Phil. 2:5-6 with 2:7-8 speak of Jesus (the Word of John 1:1) as being God and becoming man. Yet He did not stop being God when He became flesh.
Of course God does not have a literal wife with whom he fathered children. But he is the Creator of all life. (Rev. 4:11) Therefore, the first human that God created, Adam, is called a "son of God." Similarly, the Bible teaches that Jesus was created by God, and is also called a "Son of God."—John 1:49. Jesus’ life began long before he was born in a stable in Bethlehem. In fact, the Bible says that his "origin is from the early times, from the days of time indefinite." (Micah 5:2) Jesus was a spirit creature in heaven before he was born as a human on earth. Jesus himself said: "I have come down from heaven."—John 6:38, 8:23.
There is a close connection between the holy spirit and the power of God. The holy spirit is the means by which He exerts his power. Put simply, the holy spirit is God’s applied power, or his active force. And what a force that is! We stilly try to comprehend the power needed to create the entire universe. This power is not some mysterious created person. The Bible compares the holy spirit to water. When promising future blessings for his people, God said: "I shall pour out water upon the thirsty one, and trickling streams upon the dry place. I shall pour out my spirit upon your seed, and my blessing upon your descendants."—Isaiah 44:3. A person could not be 'poured out' on many different individuals. Neither could they physically 'fill' a whole group of people. That defies logic. But The Bible does refer to people becoming filled with wisdom, understanding, or even accurate knowledge, but it never describes anyone as being filled with another person.
Who created Jesus and the Holy Spirit? I would like to the Christian perspective on that.
According to gospel writer John at Revelation [ 1 v 5; 3 v 14 ] Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God.
Psalms 90 v 2 says God is from everlasting [ No beginning ]
So, Jesus is Not before the beginning as God is before the beginning.
John did Not disagree with what Paul wrote at Colossians 1 v 15 that Jesus is firstborn of every creation.
It is through Jesus [ God's heavenly Son ] that everything comes into existence.
God's holy spirit at KJV Numbers [ 11 vs 16,17,26 ] is neuter used as ' it '.
God and Jesus are always in the masculine, whereas God's spirit is also used in the neuter.
In Greek grammar rules a neuter can be addressed as a he or she even though neuter.
Even in English a ship can properly be referred to as ' she ' even though a ship is a neuter ' it '.
So, God's spirit was not created but His powerful energy used to create - Psalm 104 v 30
All three 'Persons' of the Godhead have eternally existed. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are co-equal and co-eternal. The Second Person of the Trinity whose human name is Jesus created all that has been created as per John 1:3 and Col. 1:16-17, but He Himself never had a beginning.
Colossians 1:15 says that Jesus is the firstborn of creation, and some people wrongly think this means that Jesus was created. But the word firstborn - prōtotokos in the Greek simply refers to Jesus' priority and supremacy over all of creation. Jesus is sovereign over all that has been created.
Col. 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn (prōtotokos) of all creation.
The critical words are in the genitive and link the Firstorn/prototokos as part of creation.
Prototokos never just covers primacy, but always includes, when the genitive is involved, such firstborn as part of the group specified.
Thus Jesus is the prototokos OF all creation.
It does not refer to ruler ship or primacy alone, but as part of the group under discussion.
What words you chose to us to translate prototokos do not change the grammar involved and it links Jesus with creation. The word change is simply misdirection to avoid the real grammatical issue.
All three 'Persons' of the Godhead have eternally existed. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are co-equal and co-eternal. The Second Person of the Trinity whose human name is Jesus created all that has been created as per John 1:3 and Col. 1:16-17, but He Himself never had a beginning. Colossians 1:15 says that Jesus is the firstborn of creation, and some people wrongly think this means that Jesus was created. But the word firstborn - prōtotokos in the Greek simply refers to Jesus' priority and supremacy over all of creation. Jesus is sovereign over all that has been created. Col. 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn (prōtotokos) of all creation.
It should be noted that while as God Jesus has always existed, as man He had a beginning. John 1:1 with 1:14, and Phil. 2:5-6 with 2:7-8 speak of Jesus (the Word of John 1:1) as being God and becoming man. Yet He did not stop being God when He became flesh.
Where is God spoken of as being His own Word, however Jesus is the Word [ spokesman ].
The same Greek grammar rule applies at John 1 v 1 as at Acts 28 v 6 B.
The KJV Bible adds the letter ' a ' at Jn 1 v 1 but omits the letter 'a' at Acts 28 v 6 B.
God is a title, and the Tetragrammaton name only ever is applied to God, never to Jesus.
Psalm 90 v 2 says God is from everlasting.....
God Had No beginning and can have No end, No death for God.
Whereas gospel writer John wrote at Revelation that Jesus had a heavenly beginning.- Rev. 1 v 5, 3 v 14
Also, as posted above before any thing was created Jesus was first born in the heavens.- Col. 1 v 15
As first, or first born [ Col. 1 v 17 ] Jesus is before all things....Psalm 89 v 27; Eph. 3 v 9
Before all creation/things does Not mean Jesus was before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
Jesus was before anything else was created. That is why at Genesis 1 v 26 Jesus would be part of the ' us '.
All things come through the created heavenly Jesus.
God sent the already existing heavenly Jesus to earth. [ transformed his heavenly life to sinless earthly life ]
As gospel writer John also wrote at 1st John 4 v 12 that 'No man has seen God at any time'. Didn't people see Jesus ?
People saw Jesus and lived. - Exodus 33 v 20; John 6 v 46 - can a person live and still see God ?______
The critical words are in the genitive and link the Firstorn/prototokos as part of creation.
Prototokos never just covers primacy, but always includes, when the genitive is involved, such firstborn as part of the group specified.
Thus Jesus is the prototokos OF all creation.
It does not refer to ruler ship or primacy alone, but as part of the group under discussion.
What words you chose to us to translate prototokos do not change the grammar involved and it links Jesus with creation. The word change is simply misdirection to avoid the real grammatical issue.
Yeah, but that was written before Trinity doctrine was finalized.
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