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Old 07-07-2015, 06:21 PM
 
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I'm more of a moderate Christian but see my post above for at least one partial explanation.
It's an interesting rationalization...I mean theory.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:04 PM
 
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Hey, Snowball is only taking St. Paul at his word.

I'd be curious to know how the liberal Christians explain away Paul's teaching here.
Paulie is a heretic...That is how I explain it, and probably was an insecure overbearing freak (no relation to anyone ) who wanted to instill fear and illicit compliance to HIMSELF by taking away from the Glory Of Christ.

NO ONE DIES FOR THE SINS OF ANOTHER.

Find me where Jesus taught this fairy-tale punishment--Christ NEVER even hinted that others are going down with any one who "sins" (sin being a real trespass and not a man made transgression) Jesus made it clear each will answer for their OWN sin...
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Old 07-07-2015, 10:08 PM
 
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Paulie is a heretic...That is how I explain it, and probably was an insecure overbearing freak (no relation to anyone ) who wanted to instill fear and illicit compliance to HIMSELF by taking away from the Glory Of Christ.

NO ONE DIES FOR THE SINS OF ANOTHER.

Find me where Jesus taught this fairy-tale punishment--Christ NEVER even hinted that others are going down with any one who "sins" (sin being a real trespass and not a man made transgression) Jesus made it clear each will answer for their OWN sin...
Oddly enough, Christianity canonized Paul's writings and declared him a saint. They even named a city in Minnesota after him.
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Old 07-08-2015, 05:18 AM
 
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Oddly enough, Christianity canonized Paul's writings and declared him a saint. They even named a city in Minnesota after him.
Shows you what a bunch of Pharisees can do when no one is around to flip a few tables huh?
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Old 07-08-2015, 07:43 AM
 
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Guess that verse about "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. in Matthew 7:1 was in error???
Apparently so. And isn't it nice how there are NO CONTRADICTORY TEACHINGS within the BIBLE!
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Old 07-08-2015, 09:39 AM
 
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Paulie is a heretic...That is how I explain it, and probably was an insecure overbearing freak (no relation to anyone ) who wanted to instill fear and illicit compliance to HIMSELF by taking away from the Glory Of Christ.

NO ONE DIES FOR THE SINS OF ANOTHER.

Find me where Jesus taught this fairy-tale punishment--Christ NEVER even hinted that others are going down with any one who "sins" (sin being a real trespass and not a man made transgression) Jesus made it clear each will answer for their OWN sin...
It is a sin to condone of sin. Woe to them who call good evil and evil good.
Saint Paul is not saying that those guilty of the evils as described in Romans 1:1-32
are to be put to death by men, he is saying that the death they will receive is what
they deserve. Those who do those things are not of Christ and are not to be kept
in the community, but excommunicated.
Matthew 10:13-15 (also Luke 10:11, Mark 6:11, Acts 13:51)
"If the house is worthy, give it your blessing of peace. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace. "Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. "Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city."
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Old 07-08-2015, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Southwest Arkansas
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I believe that they are worthy of death, as Romans 1:1-32 describes them.
I bet they'd love your extremist view in Iran
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Old 07-08-2015, 08:49 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Pretty good article to read for Christians backing gay marriage and changing their profile pics on social media with a rainbow filter. I included the questions as well.

40 Questions for Christians Now Waving Rainbow Flags | TGC


1. How long have you believed that gay marriage is something to be celebrated?

2. What Bible verses led you to change your mind?

3. How would you make a positive case from Scripture that sexual activity between two persons of the same sex is a blessing to be celebrated?

4. What verses would you use to show that a marriage between two persons of the same sex can adequately depict Christ and the church?

5. Do you think Jesus would have been okay with homosexual behavior between consenting adults in a committed relationship?

6. If so, why did he reassert the Genesis definition of marriage as being one man and one woman?

7. When Jesus spoke against porneia what sins do you think he was forbidding?

8. If some homosexual behavior is acceptable, how do you understand the sinful “exchange” Paul highlights in Romans 1?

9. Do you believe that passages like 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Revelation 21:8 teach that sexual immorality can keep you out of heaven?

10. What sexual sins do you think they were referring to?

11. As you think about the long history of the church and the near universal disapproval of same-sex sexual activity, what do you think you understand about the Bible that Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin, and Luther failed to grasp?

12. What arguments would you use to explain to Christians in Africa, Asia, and South America that their understanding of homosexuality is biblically incorrect and your new understanding of homosexuality is not culturally conditioned?

13. Do you think Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were motivated by personal animus and bigotry when they, for almost all of their lives, defined marriage as a covenant relationship between one man and one woman?

14. Do you think children do best with a mother and a father?

15. If not, what research would you point to in support of that conclusion?

16. If yes, does the church or the state have any role to play in promoting or privileging the arrangement that puts children with a mom and a dad?

17. Does the end and purpose of marriage point to something more than an adult’s emotional and sexual fulfillment?

18. How would you define marriage?

19. Do you think close family members should be allowed to get married?

20. Should marriage be limited to only two people?

21. On what basis, if any, would you prevent consenting adults of any relation and of any number from getting married?

22. Should there be an age requirement in this country for obtaining a marriage license?

23. Does equality entail that anyone wanting to be married should be able to have any meaningful relationship defined as marriage?

24. If not, why not?

25. Should your brothers and sisters in Christ who disagree with homosexual practice be allowed to exercise their religious beliefs without fear of punishment, retribution, or coercion?

26. Will you speak up for your fellow Christians when their jobs, their accreditation, their reputation, and their freedoms are threatened because of this issue?

27. Will you speak out against shaming and bullying of all kinds, whether against gays and lesbians or against Evangelicals and Catholics?

28. Since the evangelical church has often failed to take unbiblical divorces and other sexual sins seriously, what steps will you take to ensure that gay marriages are healthy and accord with Scriptural principles?

29. Should gay couples in open relationships be subject to church discipline?

30. Is it a sin for LGBT persons to engage in sexual activity outside of marriage?

31. What will open and affirming churches do to speak prophetically against divorce, fornication, pornography, and adultery wherever they are found?

32. If “love wins,” how would you define love?

33. What verses would you use to establish that definition?

34. How should obedience to God’s commands shape our understanding of love?

35. Do you believe it is possible to love someone and disagree with important decisions they make?

36. If supporting gay marriage is a change for you, has anything else changed in your understanding of faith?

37. As an evangelical, how has your support for gay marriage helped you become more passionate about traditional evangelical distinctives like a focus on being born again, the substitutionary sacrifice of Christ on the cross, the total trustworthiness of the Bible, and the urgent need to evangelize the lost?

38. What open and affirming churches would you point to where people are being converted to orthodox Christianity, sinners are being warned of judgment and called to repentance, and missionaries are being sent out to plant churches among unreached peoples?

39. Do you hope to be more committed to the church, more committed to Christ, and more committed to the Scriptures in the years ahead?

40. When Paul at the end of Romans 1 rebukes “those who practice such things” and those who “give approval to those who practice them,” what sins do you think he has in mind?
Enjoy your pulled pork sandwich and backyard football game with the kids. I'll have the shrimp cocktail instead.
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Old 07-10-2015, 03:55 PM
 
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How do we find Christ and his kingdom ? by seeking after it. Nowhere does it say in the bible we have to seek Christ by the bible, in fact Paul said the Light of the glory of God shines in our heart to give us the knowledge of his glory, and like Jesus Christ.... we are his glory too(Blasphemy, crucify pcamps), also Paul said the word of God is already in our heart and that salvation becomes a reality to us by confessing that word.

At Jesus' baptism, God spoke from heaven, he said this--- This is my son the beloved in whom I am well pleased--LISTEN TO HIM. ------ As well Jesus taught--- Proof of ones love for him was by---LISTENING TO HIM.

Listening in both cases = this--- learning every single teaching and then applying every single teaching--- the only place these teachings are found is in the bible--and yes his real teachers share every single teaching from Jesus as well and teach one to get every one of them deep into their hearts to live by daily.
But how can one know for sure what Jesus taught unless they by themselves read Gods written word to know for sure that is what Jesus taught--Our very wise God made sure, Jesus' teachings were preserved--in every translation on earth the teachings of Jesus are the same. Not every teacher teaches them, that is why the only way to be certain of what Jesus taught is to read it for themselves--over and over as a reminder--afterall--eternal life is the prize.
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Old 07-10-2015, 04:04 PM
 
Location: New England
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At Jesus' baptism, God spoke from heaven, he said this--- This is my son the beloved in whom I am well pleased--LISTEN TO HIM. ------ As well Jesus taught--- Proof of ones love for him was by---LISTENING TO HIM.

Listening in both cases = this--- learning every single teaching and then applying every single teaching--- the only place these teachings are found is in the bible--and yes his real teachers share every single teaching from Jesus as well and teach one to get every one of them deep into their hearts to live by daily.
But how can one know for sure what Jesus taught unless they by themselves read Gods written word to know for sure that is what Jesus taught--Our very wise God made sure, Jesus' teachings were preserved--in every translation on earth the teachings of Jesus are the same. Not every teacher teaches them, that is why the only way to be certain of what Jesus taught is to read it for themselves--over and over as a reminder--afterall--eternal life is the prize.
Your Jesus is a bible and you obviously do not know the one it testifies of.
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