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He cannot make them a "cake" but offered to sell them "brownies and cookies?"
Now, that's just asinine.
The baker would face the same issue as "No cake for them"...
The desert tray at many weddings are cake substitutions.
I will never understand it , but, some couples do not like cake. It is cake heresy I tell ya.
Those folks redeem themselves and ask for pie, cookies, brownies, cheese cakes., and sweet biscuits all with wine parings.
Wedding breakfasts involve sweet and savory scones, muffins, and a variety of coffee cakes. No wedding cake. Sometimes couples give a cupcake for afternoon tea, or the ride home for the kids.
I wonder how those bakers handle those requests for those receptions.
These two guys come in and start trouble, and the owner just wants to bake and satisfy his customers. Who are the REAL haters here? It's pretty obvious who the haters are, and it's the people who go around with an agenda to start trouble for people minding their own business.
No... Actually that was part of the point of the post. Other gay people were supporting the bakery's right to not make the cake in accordance with his standards.
Thanks for bringing that up... since the choir seems to be monolithic in their response... fundy, bad... gays are good. All people are different in some way, shape, or form.
No... Actually that was part of the point of the post. Other gay people were supporting the bakery's right to not make the cake in accordance with his standards.
Thanks for bringing that up... since the choir seems to be monolithic in their response... fundy, bad... gays are good. All people are different in some way, shape, or form.
I protest. Not at all!!! There are a certain number of gay people who are just as idiotic as fundamentalists. They haven't been able to process escaping Egypt either.
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No... Actually that was part of the point of the post. Other gay people were supporting the bakery's right to not make the cake in accordance with his standards.
Thanks for bringing that up... since the choir seems to be monolithic in their response... fundy, bad... gays are good. All people are different in some way, shape, or form.
Then why did you state this: "These two guys come in and start trouble, and the owner just wants to bake and satisfy his customers. Who are the REAL haters here? It's pretty obvious who the haters are, and it's the people who go around with an agenda to start trouble for people minding their own business."
You are labeling people as "haters." You are not referring only to the couple, but people who have an "agenda." Well, number one, not all gay people have "an agenda" to cause others trouble - most honestly just want to live their lives and be treated exactly the same as everyone else.
Number two, you may not like it but the laws against discrimination stand - and it doesn't matter who is doing the discriminating. The law is the law and people have to obey it unless or until it changes. So those who choose to flaunt the law know exactly what they are doing and the consequences will be. Gee...that almost sounds like...an agenda? Maybe, just maybe, there are Christians (or "christians") out there who want the publicity and attention that a case like this would bring, and how it would feed into the whole Christian persecution mythology that some people need to believe in? Maybe?
So he is losing about 40% of his business income because two men initiated a lawsuit. He is in Colorado... the supposed "wedding" is in Massachusetts. Seems like they are out to cause trouble to me.
Phillips, a Christian since the late 1970s, says creating cakes for same-sex marriages would go against his constitutionally protected belief that marriage is the sacred union of a man and a woman, as taught in the Bible.
His lawyers, who describe him as a “cake artist,” also argue that the First Amendment means the government can’t compel Phillips to use his talents to express a message supporting gay marriage.
This is absolutely correct.
With regards to the LGBT support...
Q: Have you received any support or encouragement from people who say ‘I’m gay, or I’m a lesbian, and I respect your religious freedom?’
A: Yeah, quite a few. The other day a guy from Daytona Beach called and left a message. He said he’s gay and he wanted to offer his support, and gave me his phone number to call him back.
So that’s one, but there’s dozens or hundreds of gays who say they think this is just not right [and is] politically motivated mostly. ‘You have the right to turn us down and these people are making us all look like we’re terrorists. … But we’re not, we just want to live our lives
One more thing... I think the owner makes light of an excellent point.
Q: And those who say you’re a hater—do you hate these guys?
A: No. They don’t even know me. You don’t get into the birthday business and the party business if you’re a hater, if you don’t like people. I love people. They’re all welcome to come in. There’s just certain events, certain cakes that I don’t make. That was one of them.
These two guys come in and start trouble, and the owner just wants to bake and satisfy his customers. Who are the REAL haters here? It's pretty obvious who the haters are, and it's the people who go around with an agenda to start trouble for people minding their own business.
It is an example of what is happening. No one ever claimed all gays harass Christians, it's the militant gay activists who do, and they are making the whole gay community look like terrorists (I am using the word the gay person above used).
If you noticed he they were asking him to make a cake that he would not make...It wasn't a product in the store...I am sure if someone came in and asked him to make a penis cake he would say no...
I have no problem with business owners being held accountable to the law, which states very plainly that discrimination is not allowed. It's no different from his refusing business to a Hindu couple for being heathens. If you can't hack it, being a business owner is not for you.
Then why did you state this: "These two guys come in and start trouble, and the owner just wants to bake and satisfy his customers. Who are the REAL haters here? It's pretty obvious who the haters are, and it's the people who go around with an agenda to start trouble for people minding their own business."
You are labeling people as "haters." You are not referring only to the couple, but people who have an "agenda." Well, number one, not all gay people have "an agenda" to cause others trouble - most honestly just want to live their lives and be treated exactly the same as everyone else.
Number two, you may not like it but the laws against discrimination stand - and it doesn't matter who is doing the discriminating. The law is the law and people have to obey it unless or until it changes. So those who choose to flaunt the law know exactly what they are doing and the consequences will be. Gee...that almost sounds like...an agenda? Maybe, just maybe, there are Christians (or "christians") out there who want the publicity and attention that a case like this would bring, and how it would feed into the whole Christian persecution mythology that some people need to believe in? Maybe?
Number one - I agree with you. Did you even read the entirety of the OP? I made that point. The article makes that point.
Number two - If you are not believing the intent of the owner from the article, then I can't help you. There is no agenda on his part. Government is not allowed to force people to act against their religion.
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, but, some couples do not like cake. It is cake heresy I tell ya. 
Seems like they are out to cause trouble to me.
