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Luke 6:36-37
37 “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;
We condemn ourselves each time we judge one another making false assumptions where they do not exist. Where we name call and hate others condemning them because they don't support sin Love means directing them to the Truth of Scripture always. Not just running at the mouth making our own words trump Gods.
Do you mean these assumptions?
Assumption/Lie #1. People become homosexual because they were sexually abused as children or had distant father/over bearing mother or some variation on bad parenting:
GLBT children are no more abused or subject to poor role models than heterosexual children. In fact, fifteen to twenty five percent of all girls were sexually abused and seven to fifteen percent of all boys. Pretty sad statistic yet, there is no scientific evidence to link abuse and orientation. None. This myth has burdened parents of LGBT children with a guilt and shame that they somehow caused their children’s orientation. Shame and blame. And, a lie.
Assumption/Lie #2. People make a choice to be gay.
If you know any/many GLBT people and you have listened to them, you would not entertain this statement as true. This is a pivotal statement used by anti-gay groups all the time. It is simple and it is powerful. Here is why. If being LGBT is a choice, then it is a conduct. Conduct is not protected by law. But, a class of people, a status of people, is protected by law. If these conservative groups can get us to believe that being GLBT is a choice, then they can hope to withhold civil rights from gay/trans people. Again, conduct is not protected but classes of people are protected.
This house of cards and lies are starting to tumble down however. In the Supreme Court, a ruling was released on June 28, 2010 for Christian Legal Society(CLS) at University of California, Hastings School of Law v Martinez. CLS contented that they were discriminating against a behavior, the homosexuality of a perspective member, when they denied admission to the group. We are all clear that state money and property cannot be used to discriminate against a class of people, but CLS said this was about behavior. In siding with Martinez, the Supreme Court decision called GLBT people a “class”; this is huge, huge. The Supreme Court has now designated GLBT people as a class, not a behavior, not a conduct. A group of people.
Assumption/Lie #3.Sexual orientation can be changed.
Reparative therapy has been rejected by all the established and reputable American medical, psychological, psychiatric and professional counseling organizations. The overwhelming majority of people that have “changed” have: chosen to be celibate, were bisexual and not exclusively homosexual, or opt to live a “straight” life to adhere to strong religious and social pressures. ( Read my post about Sexual Orientation . ) Even the leader of the largest reparative therapy group in the world, Exodus, said just this week that he still is attracted to men. This is my personal belief, I would say, that if it were not for his paycheck, status and books, he would be more truthful. I have two close friends who were leaders/founders of Exodus and they are transparent in telling the stories of the lies and lack of integrity in the Exodus- type message.
Both of them (Michael Bussee and Darlene Bogle of Exodus) have both stated the reparative therapy industry is a sham and a money machine. It does not work. I do not know of one, not one person who has changed sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. Not one. Have there been cases where some sexual abuse caused a skewed sexual view that was corrected? Sure. I would place that in the less than 1% realm. Go to Beyond Ex-Gay and Box Turtle Bulletin for reparative therapy stories. The leaders of ex-gay ministries will never say you can change orientation; they appear to say that, but listen. They even know it is a lie.
Assumption/Lie #4. Efforts to change someone’s sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual are not harmful nor unethical.
Oh really? Being LGBT is a status, not a behavior or “lifestyle” (this word drives me absolutely insane). Constant pressure to change the core of a person is a violation of humanity and it is an abuse. Telling someone who is LGBT that they must change who they are to be acceptable to family, society, God is harmful and unethical.
Ask an alcoholic or drug addict to get clean and you will see benefit. Ask an adulterer to stop cheating and you see benefit. Go on and on down the list of “bad behaviors” and encourage folks to eliminate them and you will see life and good. Then, apply this “you must change your orientation” attitude and dictate to a LGBT person, and you will see loneliness, depression, isolation and shame. I am sure people are well intentioned in wanting others to change and live “the good life” of heterosexuality. You could not change your orientation, yet, many Chrstians ask others to change ours. For our good. For our destruction.
Assumption/Misrepresentation of facts/Lie #5. Homosexuals experience a higher level of psychological disorders than do heterosexuals.
Really? Reject anyone repeatedly and from all directions and from all societal institutions and you set them up for personal destruction. Christians have done an excellent job of sending out a message of less-thanism from every corner of society to the LGBT community–from churches, government intervention ("religious freedom" legislation, as if such a thing can be legislated), military and schools. Want to decrease the shame, depression, addictions, suicidal thoughts and loneliness imposed on LGBT people? Stop the rejection. Incredibly simplistic. Be loving, be accepting, be a safe place. Love, acceptance and security. That is all we each ask for. Try extending it and watch the “psychological disorders” melt away.
Assumption/Lie #6. Children raised by homosexuals are not as healthy as children raised by heterosexuals and, they suffer harm.
First, all studies show children do better with two parents, two, not a male and female, two parents. Want to protect children? Start by not getting divorced and letting them have two, engaged, in-the-same-house parents. Next, the majority of the children that I personally know in gay male couple families are adopted children. Children that exit the foster/state/court systems into these loving homes. In lesbian couple families, many of the children are their own children and they should be with their Mom. Let Mom have a legal partner for the security of those children. Two parents. No, none, zero studies exist to state that children raised in same-sex couple families are harmed or suffer any more than we heterosexual parents all-stars effect them.
The courts asked the plaintiffs for proof of this accusation of damage to children in same-sex parenting homes in the Prop 8 case in California. This was the big opportunity to lay it out for all to see and guess what? No evidence was presented. None. You can lie all you want on TV and in sound bites, but in court, you must bring proof. No proof was offered. Want to make the home life of children healthier? Let them have two parents. Let LGBT couples marry and create families and security for their children.
LGBT people do not want to destroy family, they want to create it, with their kids and with the tossed away kids.
Assumption/Lie #7. Homosexuals are more likely to molest children than heterosexuals. This lie can make a person crazy because it is such an offensive lie. This repeated nonsense has damaged relationships of LGBT people within their families and extended families. “Don’t let Aunt Lesbian near the kids and surely not Uncle Gay. They will touch our kids inappropriately and use them sexually.” Molestation of children is NOT an issue of orientation. Repeat, repeat, repeat. Molestation of children is about being attracted to a child’s age, not gender of the child or the abuser. Repeat, repeat, repeat.
In a 2008 study of medical records in a Denver emergency room in cases of molestation, 1% had been attributed to LGBT people. The overwhelming majority of molestation is inflicted by heterosexual relatives and friends. This lie has to stop. FRC and the others quote and requote 87% of all cases of pedophilia involve a gay person. WHERE do they get this stuff? The one report they keep quoting with assurance has been thrown out as sloppy and false work by any expert of repute. Yet, the rhetoric they call the truth is robbing LGBT people of family, and family of their gay relatives. Destruction of family? Yes. For a lie.
Assumption/Lie #8. Homosexuals are less likely to enter into a committed relationship, less likely to be sexually faithful to a partner, even if they have one, and are less likely to remain committed for a lifetime, than are heterosexuals.
Chicken or egg? Tell people they are less-than and see what you get. Marriage is an institution in which couples establish state protected, church ordained, committed relationships. And Christians are still trying to deny it to LGBT (Kim Davis, Roy Moore, etc.) people. Take away marriage from heterosexual couples and imagine the results. Oh, we have that, heterosexual people living together. They don’t seem to have the success rate of marriage. Serial heterosexual monogamy.
For Christians who believe in the holy scriptures, it doesn't work that way
Scriptures do not change what is true...one's beliefs or interpretations will not influence the future.
But insisting that EVERYONE accepts the same point of view is selfish and oppressive. If some want to run around and believe that an ancient book is 100% factual and that some how a few arrogant scribes were able to write about people 200-500 years AFTER the fact and get it right--quotes and all--then they ought to be allowed to gather on their own ward and go bout life while allowing the rest of the world to do the same without their influence.
Luke 6:36-37
37 “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;
We condemn ourselves each time we judge one another making false assumptions where they do not exist. Where we name call and hate others condemning them because they don't support sin Love means directing them to the Truth of Scripture always. Not just running at the mouth making our own words trump Gods.
Good post.
And when a person recognizes and appreciates God's mercy, there should be a desire to follow God's truth as revealed in Scripture.
Assumption/Lie #1. People become homosexual because they were sexually abused as children or had distant father/over bearing mother or some variation on bad parenting:
GLBT children are no more abused or subject to poor role models than heterosexual children. In fact, fifteen to twenty five percent of all girls were sexually abused and seven to fifteen percent of all boys. Pretty sad statistic yet, there is no scientific evidence to link abuse and orientation. None. This myth has burdened parents of LGBT children with a guilt and shame that they somehow caused their children’s orientation. Shame and blame. And, a lie.
Assumption/Lie #2. People make a choice to be gay.
If you know any/many GLBT people and you have listened to them, you would not entertain this statement as true. This is a pivotal statement used by anti-gay groups all the time. It is simple and it is powerful. Here is why. If being LGBT is a choice, then it is a conduct. Conduct is not protected by law. But, a class of people, a status of people, is protected by law. If these conservative groups can get us to believe that being GLBT is a choice, then they can hope to withhold civil rights from gay/trans people. Again, conduct is not protected but classes of people are protected.
This house of cards and lies are starting to tumble down however. In the Supreme Court, a ruling was released on June 28, 2010 for Christian Legal Society(CLS) at University of California, Hastings School of Law v Martinez. CLS contented that they were discriminating against a behavior, the homosexuality of a perspective member, when they denied admission to the group. We are all clear that state money and property cannot be used to discriminate against a class of people, but CLS said this was about behavior. In siding with Martinez, the Supreme Court decision called GLBT people a “class”; this is huge, huge. The Supreme Court has now designated GLBT people as a class, not a behavior, not a conduct. A group of people.
Assumption/Lie #3.Sexual orientation can be changed.
Reparative therapy has been rejected by all the established and reputable American medical, psychological, psychiatric and professional counseling organizations. The overwhelming majority of people that have “changed” have: chosen to be celibate, were bisexual and not exclusively homosexual, or opt to live a “straight” life to adhere to strong religious and social pressures. ( Read my post about Sexual Orientation . ) Even the leader of the largest reparative therapy group in the world, Exodus, said just this week that he still is attracted to men. This is my personal belief, I would say, that if it were not for his paycheck, status and books, he would be more truthful. I have two close friends who were leaders/founders of Exodus and they are transparent in telling the stories of the lies and lack of integrity in the Exodus- type message.
Both of them (Michael Bussee and Darlene Bogle of Exodus) have both stated the reparative therapy industry is a sham and a money machine. It does not work. I do not know of one, not one person who has changed sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. Not one. Have there been cases where some sexual abuse caused a skewed sexual view that was corrected? Sure. I would place that in the less than 1% realm. Go to Beyond Ex-Gay and Box Turtle Bulletin for reparative therapy stories. The leaders of ex-gay ministries will never say you can change orientation; they appear to say that, but listen. They even know it is a lie.
Assumption/Lie #4. Efforts to change someone’s sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual are not harmful nor unethical.
Oh really? Being LGBT is a status, not a behavior or “lifestyle” (this word drives me absolutely insane). Constant pressure to change the core of a person is a violation of humanity and it is an abuse. Telling someone who is LGBT that they must change who they are to be acceptable to family, society, God is harmful and unethical.
Ask an alcoholic or drug addict to get clean and you will see benefit. Ask an adulterer to stop cheating and you see benefit. Go on and on down the list of “bad behaviors” and encourage folks to eliminate them and you will see life and good. Then, apply this “you must change your orientation” attitude and dictate to a LGBT person, and you will see loneliness, depression, isolation and shame. I am sure people are well intentioned in wanting others to change and live “the good life” of heterosexuality. You could not change your orientation, yet, many Chrstians ask others to change ours. For our good. For our destruction.
Assumption/Misrepresentation of facts/Lie #5. Homosexuals experience a higher level of psychological disorders than do heterosexuals.
Really? Reject anyone repeatedly and from all directions and from all societal institutions and you set them up for personal destruction. Christians have done an excellent job of sending out a message of less-thanism from every corner of society to the LGBT community–from churches, government intervention ("religious freedom" legislation, as if such a thing can be legislated), military and schools. Want to decrease the shame, depression, addictions, suicidal thoughts and loneliness imposed on LGBT people? Stop the rejection. Incredibly simplistic. Be loving, be accepting, be a safe place. Love, acceptance and security. That is all we each ask for. Try extending it and watch the “psychological disorders” melt away.
Assumption/Lie #6. Children raised by homosexuals are not as healthy as children raised by heterosexuals and, they suffer harm.
First, all studies show children do better with two parents, two, not a male and female, two parents. Want to protect children? Start by not getting divorced and letting them have two, engaged, in-the-same-house parents. Next, the majority of the children that I personally know in gay male couple families are adopted children. Children that exit the foster/state/court systems into these loving homes. In lesbian couple families, many of the children are their own children and they should be with their Mom. Let Mom have a legal partner for the security of those children. Two parents. No, none, zero studies exist to state that children raised in same-sex couple families are harmed or suffer any more than we heterosexual parents all-stars effect them.
The courts asked the plaintiffs for proof of this accusation of damage to children in same-sex parenting homes in the Prop 8 case in California. This was the big opportunity to lay it out for all to see and guess what? No evidence was presented. None. You can lie all you want on TV and in sound bites, but in court, you must bring proof. No proof was offered. Want to make the home life of children healthier? Let them have two parents. Let LGBT couples marry and create families and security for their children.
LGBT people do not want to destroy family, they want to create it, with their kids and with the tossed away kids.
Assumption/Lie #7. Homosexuals are more likely to molest children than heterosexuals. This lie can make a person crazy because it is such an offensive lie. This repeated nonsense has damaged relationships of LGBT people within their families and extended families. “Don’t let Aunt Lesbian near the kids and surely not Uncle Gay. They will touch our kids inappropriately and use them sexually.” Molestation of children is NOT an issue of orientation. Repeat, repeat, repeat. Molestation of children is about being attracted to a child’s age, not gender of the child or the abuser. Repeat, repeat, repeat.
In a 2008 study of medical records in a Denver emergency room in cases of molestation, 1% had been attributed to LGBT people. The overwhelming majority of molestation is inflicted by heterosexual relatives and friends. This lie has to stop. FRC and the others quote and requote 87% of all cases of pedophilia involve a gay person. WHERE do they get this stuff? The one report they keep quoting with assurance has been thrown out as sloppy and false work by any expert of repute. Yet, the rhetoric they call the truth is robbing LGBT people of family, and family of their gay relatives. Destruction of family? Yes. For a lie.
Assumption/Lie #8. Homosexuals are less likely to enter into a committed relationship, less likely to be sexually faithful to a partner, even if they have one, and are less likely to remain committed for a lifetime, than are heterosexuals.
Chicken or egg? Tell people they are less-than and see what you get. Marriage is an institution in which couples establish state protected, church ordained, committed relationships. And Christians are still trying to deny it to LGBT (Kim Davis, Roy Moore, etc.) people. Take away marriage from heterosexual couples and imagine the results. Oh, we have that, heterosexual people living together. They don’t seem to have the success rate of marriage. Serial heterosexual monogamy.
Great response! It probably falls on deaf ears of the bigoted, but great response.
For Christians who believe in the holy scriptures, it doesn't work that way
It does when you know what the kingdom of heaven is. There are dogs, liars, thieves, murderers and the sexual immoral outside the city, and they are still there. Jesus said that you could not keep the laws and teach others not to keep the laws and STILL be in the kingdom of heaven and this DOES pertain to lawbreakers, to liars, to the sexual immoral albeit, they are the least in the kingdom.
MOST everyone will be standing in the court with the sexual immoral, people who love to love a lie, the thieves, murderers.
STILL saved, but not allowed in the Zoe kingdom and they are standing in the outer court with 99 percent of Christians going to the exact same place.
We are in a race to achieve a better resurrection and the first resurrection is reward, salvation does not get you the first resurrection and so we see so many instances where people come into the higher Zoe kingdom, still saved, but then they are escorted out of the kingdom where they weep and gnash they teeth, they weep and gnash they teeth because they did not obtain the reward of first resurrection and now they are standing in the court of darkness, the court of gentiles where the majority will go.
And when a person recognizes and appreciates God's mercy, there should be a desire to follow God's truth as revealed in Scripture.
Absolutely correct! And THAT should lead you to the guidance of the Holy Spirit as promised in those scriptures, consistent with the character of that Spirit revealed by Christ, and not to dependence on words written in ink.
Absolutely correct! And THAT should lead you to the guidance of the Holy Spirit as promised in those scriptures, consistent with the character of that Spirit revealed by Christ, and not to dependence on words written in ink.
The Holy Spirit is consistent with those words written in ink. In fact, the Holy Spirit could lead you to a specific passage that speaks to your situation.
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Love means directing them to the Truth of Scripture always. Not just running at the mouth making our own words trump Gods.
