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So you read his words and still balk? You didn't get his point?
Not much point at saying anything further to you in this regard is there?
The only one coopting here is you.
I read his words, they just don't apply to your point. Ive read numerous in depth books on Einstein ( guys like Einstein, Sagan, Hawking, De Grasse being favorite subjects of mine ), and am currently reading one in which his spirituality is expressed in his own words on various topics. No where does he support any beliefs you put forth here, yet you mistakenly quote him for support.
And no, not much else to say if you are so confused that you don't really understand where Einstein stood on religion and evolution. I suggest you take the time to learn more about what you speak of before speaking.
it's exactly my point, and just as in this forum, they are not the MASS, they are the very noisy/empty can minority. Are you trying to be a part of that group?
Are you of the opinion that I care whether some creationist with a vastly inflated view of his understanding of science puts me on ignore because I help point out his errors?
Are you of the opinion that I care whether some creationist with a vastly inflated view of his understanding of science puts me on ignore because I help point out his errors?
Not to brag.....but I think that's how I got on his list.
Well, it's clearly what I thought you were asking. Your exact words were, "How old would Adam have been measured by our current technology, on the first day of his existence?" I answered your question the way I interpreted it.
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It's not really hard to tell if one is honest and IN the Spirit when reading it.
Oh really? You've got that kind of insight into other people's hearts, huh? Man, you are really something.
Every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe-a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. The scientists’ religious feeling takes the form of a rapturous amazement at the harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection. – Albert Einstein
Let's make sure we understand Einstein's "belief" system. It was closer to the pantheistic views of Spinoza.
If you had bothered to do even a small amount of research you might have found this from his Autobiographical Notes. He both gained and lost the Jewish faith of his childhood:
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I came—though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents—to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve.Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment—an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections. It is quite clear to me that the religious paradise of youth, which was thus lost, was a first attempt to free myself from the chains of the 'merely personal,' from an existence dominated by wishes, hopes, and primitive feelings. Out yonder there was this huge world, which exists independently of us human beings and which stands before us like a great, eternal riddle, at least partially accessible to our inspection and thinking. The contemplation of this world beckoned as a liberation, and I soon noticed that many a man whom I had learned to esteem and to admire had found inner freedom and security in its pursuit. The mental grasp of this extra-personal world within the frame of our capabilities presented itself to my mind, half consciously, half unconsciously, as a supreme goal. Similarly motivated men of the present and of the past, as well as the insights they had achieved, were the friends who could not be lost. The road to this paradise was not as comfortable and alluring as the road to the religious paradise; but it has shown itself reliable, and I have never regretted having chosen it.
Einstein, Albert (1979). Autobiographical Notes. Chicago: Open Court Publishing Company, pp. 3-5.
Einstein was a confirmed agnostic, although he flat out rejected atheism as he did the idea of a "personal" god.
When it comes to science, not many even today could top Einstein in mathematical calculations. But if you wish to quote someone standing up for Jesus---well, he is in no way your guy--or mine either.
For those who may be unfamiliar with pantheism:
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Pantheismis the belief that the Universe (or nature as the totality of everything) is identical with divinity, or that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent god. Pantheists thus do not believe in a distinct personal or anthropomorphic god.
You've got that kind of insight into other people's hearts, huh? Man, you are really something.
IIRC Stanley is getting messages from God concerning his ignore list. Who has a good heart. Who has a bad heart. Who has the Spirit. Who doesn't. Yep....Stanley is taking up God's time discussing his internet ignore lists.
'Cause those Syrian refugees can just wait while Stanley asks God if wallflash is worth answering in the YEC thread.
The point is, you copied and pasted something, and now gave links about it, but you gave no indication of UNDERSTANDING how a theory comes about... none. You keep mixing up terminology that if it were food would make a great paella, if asked how it was made, you would have no idea.
It's like the joke (true story) a local Indian Chief told me:
"What did the Indian say the first time he saw a pizza?"
Answer:
"Who puked on my bannock".
You have to understand what bannock is to get that joke. Just like you have to understand that a theory is and how it is different from a hypothesis.
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