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Old 09-15-2016, 08:04 AM
 
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All of these warnings are about gaining or losing eternal life!
There are 10 NT passages listed for each section …
Warnings given to everyone & Warnings given to church members.

It is necessary to understand: Being led by the Holy Spirit -- in obeying Jesus,
following His commands, etc. is just simply “your reasonable service” (Romans 12:1),
and is NOT following the Law or doing good works/deeds toward our fellow human beings!

Note: no passages about entering the kingdom of God/heaven have been included.

WARNINGS GIVEN TO EVERYONE

“What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? …
if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:16-17)

“And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake.
But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” (Mark 13:13, and see Matthew 10:21-23)

The believer must endure in his/her faith through any time of terrible persecution of Christians.
Many NT verses teach: A believer’s faith must endure until death for him/her to be saved.

“If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily,
and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life
for My sake will save it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world,
and is himself destroyed or lost?” (Luke 9:23-25)

How can anyone say, “These verses don’t apply to me, I’m saved.”
“He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world
will keep it for eternal life.” (John 12:25)

“… if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24)
As in several other “I AM” verses, there is no “he” after “I AM” in the original Greek.
Unfortunately, many translations have added “he” for whatever reasons.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day,
‘Lord, Lord …’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you;
depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Matthew 7:21)
I am NOT focusing on the kingdom of heaven here, but on doing God’s will
… it is God’s will that we have an intimate “knowing” relationship!
“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish” (John 10:27)
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John 17:3)


“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.
And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and
manifest Myself to him. … If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word;
and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home
with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words” (John 14:21-24)
“You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.” (John 15:14)

IMO, to enter heaven it is necessary …
to love Jesus, to be Jesus’ friend, and to obey Jesus’ commands!

“He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers,
idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:7-8)

cowardly: not enough faith to stand up for Jesus, unwilling to endure persecutions, etc.
unbelieving: simply non-believers
Jesus says the overcomer is the one who overcomes as He overcame!
“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Rev 3:21)


WARNINGS GIVEN TO CHURCH MEMBERS

Believers overcome sin by following the Spirit and by repenting of (forsaking) their sins!
“Death” here means eternal death; Jesus does NOT go around killing believers who sin!

"… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to death,
or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness … For the wages of sin is death”
(Romans 6:16, 23)

"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh,
but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally-minded is death, but to be spiritually-minded is life and peace.
… For if you live according to the flesh you will die;
but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.” (Romans 8:5-14)


The law of sowing and reaping is one of God’s most basic easily-understood laws!
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption (decay and death, NLT),
but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)
“And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions” (Galatians 5:24)

“Now I am glad I sent it (a letter), not because it hurt you, but because the pain caused you
to repent and change your ways. It was the kind of sorrow God wants his people to have,
so you were not harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to have
leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There’s no regret for that kind of sorrow.
But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death.” (2 Cor 7:9-10, NLT)

Yes, when believers repent of their sins, their salvation continues (they do not lose it).
This repentance is a most important part of the fellowship that God requires of man.
“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

“Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown
brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:15-16)
Yes, “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23)

“Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.
But we are not of those who draw back to perdition (destruction) …” (Hebrews 10:38-39)
In the NT, believers who draw back from the faith are those whose faith has NOT endured.
This passage teaches what happens to believers who fall away (draw back) from the faith.

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)

Please notice the difference between God’s children and Satan’s children!
And notice again that our righteousness is maintained through obedience and repentance.
“… (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)
“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

“Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life …
He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” (Revelation 2:10-11)
If you research it, you will find that the crown of life means eternal life.
Many NT verses teach: A believer’s faith must endure until death for him/her to be saved.
Jesus says the overcomer is the one who overcomes as He overcame!
“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Rev 3:21)


The new covenant is so much superior to the old one because
God has given believers a new nature, plus the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Now, it would be so much easier for His people to satisfy Him and His holiness.
They could co-operate with His Spirit in obeying Him and being sanctified unto holiness.

Therefore, if we take into account God’s warnings, we must conclude …
True saving faith results from: grace • belief • faith • trust • obedience • fellowship • endurance
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Old 09-15-2016, 08:17 AM
 
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I had and Emily Litella moment reading your name. I loved and watched Zackerley. His lab had all sorts of ghoulish experiments and bubbling things. hahahahahah

As for your biblical warnings. John Zackerely would have pronounced them on Chiller Theater in a booming voice during the commercials.

I hear a tiny, somewhat tinny voice from you despite the bold and red. Perhaps you need a lab with ghoulish things.
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Old 09-15-2016, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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Originally Posted by ZacharyB View Post
All of these warnings are about gaining or losing eternal life!
There are 10 NT passages listed for each section …
Warnings given to everyone & Warnings given to church members.

It is necessary to understand: Being led by the Holy Spirit -- in obeying Jesus,
following His commands, etc. is just simply “your reasonable service” (Romans 12:1),
and is NOT following the Law or doing good works/deeds toward our fellow human beings!

Note: no passages about entering the kingdom of God/heaven have been included.

WARNINGS GIVEN TO EVERYONE

“What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? …
if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:16-17)

“And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake.
But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” (Mark 13:13, and see Matthew 10:21-23)
The believer must endure in his/her faith through any time of terrible persecution of Christians.
Many NT verses teach: A believer’s faith must endure until death for him/her to be saved.

“If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily,
and follow Me. For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life
for My sake will save it. For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world,
and is himself destroyed or lost?” (Luke 9:23-25)
How can anyone say, “These verses don’t apply to me, I’m saved.”
“He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in this world
will keep it for eternal life.” (John 12:25)

“… if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24)
As in several other “I AM” verses, there is no “he” after “I AM” in the original Greek.
Unfortunately, many translations have added “he” for whatever reasons.

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day,
‘Lord, Lord …’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you;
depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’ (Matthew 7:21)
I am NOT focusing on the kingdom of heaven here, but on doing God’s will
… it is God’s will that we have an intimate “knowing” relationship!
“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish” (John 10:27)
“And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (John 17:3)

“He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.
And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and
manifest Myself to him. … If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word;
and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home
with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words” (John 14:21-24)
“You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.” (John 15:14)
IMO, to enter heaven it is necessary …
to love Jesus, to be Jesus’ friend, and to obey Jesus’ commands!

“He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers,
idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:7-8)
cowardly: not enough faith to stand up for Jesus, unwilling to endure persecutions, etc.
unbelieving: simply non-believers
Jesus says the overcomer is the one who overcomes as He overcame!
“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Rev 3:21)

WARNINGS GIVEN TO CHURCH MEMBERS

Believers overcome sin by following the Spirit and by repenting of (forsaking) their sins!
“Death” here means eternal death; Jesus does NOT go around killing believers who sin!

"… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin leading to death,
or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness … For the wages of sin is death”
(Romans 6:16, 23)

"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh,
but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally-minded is death, but to be spiritually-minded is life and peace.
… For if you live according to the flesh you will die;
but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.” (Romans 8:5-14)

The law of sowing and reaping is one of God’s most basic easily-understood laws!
“Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption (decay and death, NLT),
but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.” (Galatians 6:7-8)
“And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions” (Galatians 5:24)

“Now I am glad I sent it (a letter), not because it hurt you, but because the pain caused you
to repent and change your ways. It was the kind of sorrow God wants his people to have,
so you were not harmed by us in any way. For the kind of sorrow God wants us to have
leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There’s no regret for that kind of sorrow.
But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death.” (2 Cor 7:9-10, NLT)
Yes, when believers repent of their sins, their salvation continues (they do not lose it).
This repentance is a most important part of the fellowship that God requires of man.
“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

“Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown
brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.” (James 1:15-16)
Yes, “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23)

“Now the just shall live by faith; but if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.
But we are not of those who draw back to perdition (destruction) …” (Hebrews 10:38-39)
In the NT, believers who draw back from the faith are those whose faith has NOT endured.
This passage teaches what happens to believers who fall away (draw back) from the faith.

“In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God” (1 John 3:10)
Please notice the difference between God’s children and Satan’s children!
And notice again that our righteousness is maintained through obedience and repentance.
“… (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness” (Romans 6:16)
“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins
and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” (1 John 1:9)

“Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life …
He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” (Revelation 2:10-11)
If you research it, you will find that the crown of life means eternal life.
Many NT verses teach: A believer’s faith must endure until death for him/her to be saved.
Jesus says the overcomer is the one who overcomes as He overcame!
“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Rev 3:21)

The new covenant is so much superior to the old one because
God has given believers a new nature, plus the indwelling Holy Spirit.
Now, it would be so much easier for His people to satisfy Him and His holiness.
They could co-operate with His Spirit in obeying Him and being sanctified unto holiness.

Therefore, if we take into account God’s warnings, we must conclude …
True saving faith results from: grace • belief • faith • trust • obedience • fellowship • endurance
Good post, just remember not to use red anymore, only the mods can use that color.
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Old 09-15-2016, 04:45 PM
 
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A few more like don`t blaspheme Holy spirit or your sins will never be forgiven.. ........... Also Don`t hate your brother......Don`t be selfish in helping others in ministry like not giving a man a drink of water as this is the wrong spirit which can be rejected by God ....... Jesus said , and then other warning like Know the wisdom of 666 as it is mans number for being a god , and people should know how people can have the mark of he antichrist , which is rejecting the commandments of Jesus , and how do people worship to beast which is blessing sin and giving the devil a place in their life and people may not even know the devil is there , all of these can be a grave error if people do not heed the warning from Jesus
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Old 09-15-2016, 05:26 PM
 
Location: New England
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I fully understand that if i sow to the "flesh from the flesh"(not from God) i reap destruction. I normally take it like a man, admit that i messed up, forgive myself and move on, i do not make the big deal about missing the mark like the fundies do.
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Old 09-15-2016, 06:58 PM
 
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and is NOT following the Law or doing good works/deeds toward our fellow human beings!

“What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? …
if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:16-17)

Is it just me or does there seem to be a contradiction from the OP?...
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Old 09-15-2016, 07:01 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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and is NOT following the Law or doing good works/deeds toward our fellow human beings!

“What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? …
if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:16-17)

Is it just me or does there seem to be a contradiction from the OP?...
You mean the part about wise and believers? I'm kidding!!!!!! Just keeping up the apostate bravado.
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:58 AM
 
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As it is written and the Lord says; "The wise shall shine brightly like the heavens and those who lead the many to righteousness like the stars forever."

"Let him who is wise understand these things, let him who is prudent know them; Straight are the ways of the LOrd the righteous walk in them but sinners stumble."
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Old 09-16-2016, 03:34 PM
 
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Old 09-16-2016, 03:38 PM
 
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and is NOT following the Law or doing good works/deeds toward our fellow human beings!

“What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life? …
if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:16-17)

Is it just me or does there seem to be a contradiction from the OP?...
I was referring to the OT Law(s) of Moses.
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