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Old 05-08-2016, 12:50 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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*sigh* ...once again someone is using a post-1946 version of the Bible. Once again they are using a term (homosexual/s) that was NEVER used in the original scriptures as well as presenting the said term as a 'couldn't be any plainer' condemnation of homosexuality. When will people learn that the equivalent of the term 'homosexual' is NOT found anywhere in the Bible in the original Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek languages??

While I realize that there are some who don't like the KJV Bible ...here is the same scripture from the KJV:


1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ...9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Which words from the above scripture do we interpret to mean 'homosexuals'? Is it 'effeminate'? Is it 'abusers of themselves with mankind'? Which?

We also have a glaring discrepancy here. Paul says that 'the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven'. Well, that includes EVERYONE. NO ONE will inherit the kingdom of heaven. Why? Because the very same Paul tells us in Romans 3:10 that NO ONE is righteous, no, not one. According to Paul, we're ALL goners!

Moreover, and I cannot emphasize the validity of these questions enough ...who the heck gave Paul the Apostle the authority to determine who will and who will not inherit the kingdom of heaven? And, why do so many Christians EQUATE Paul to God? Is it because the collators of the New Testament Canon saw fit to include Paul's epistles? Were the Bible collators ALSO 'divinely inspired'?
Actually, according to BDAG, A Greek-English Lexicon by Arndt, Gingrich, and Danker, third edition, which is arguably the best Lexicon available in English, on page 135, the Greek word ἀρσενοκοῖται - arsenokoitai which is translated as 'homosexual' in 1 Corinthians 6:9 does in fact refer to a male who engages in sexual activity with a person of his own sex, and that Paul's strictures against same sex activity cannot be satisfactorily explained on the basis of alleged temple prostitution at Corinth, or limited to contract with boys for homo erotic service.

And so, yes, according to the best experts, the word ἀρσενοκοῖται is properly translated as 'homosexual.'
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Old 05-08-2016, 01:32 PM
 
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Again, Paul cannot be trusted.

"If you continue in my word you are truly my disciple"

Paul did nothing of the sort. His word does not supercede the word of the son of man.



Paul is in harmony with Jesus' teachings. Jesus commissioned Paul to teach truths.
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Old 05-08-2016, 01:36 PM
 
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*sigh* ...once again someone is using a post-1946 version of the Bible. Once again they are using a term (homosexual/s) that was NEVER used in the original scriptures as well as presenting the said term as a 'couldn't be any plainer' condemnation of homosexuality. When will people learn that the equivalent of the term 'homosexual' is NOT found anywhere in the Bible in the original Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek languages??

While I realize that there are some who don't like the KJV Bible ...here is the same scripture from the KJV:

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ...9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Which words from the above scripture do we interpret to mean 'homosexuals'? Is it 'effeminate'? Is it 'abusers of themselves with mankind'? Which?

We also have a glaring discrepancy here. Paul says that 'the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven'. Well, that includes EVERYONE. NO ONE will inherit the kingdom of heaven. Why? Because the very same Paul tells us in Romans 3:10 that NO ONE is righteous, no, not one. According to Paul, we're ALL goners!

Moreover, and I cannot emphasize the validity of these questions enough ...who the heck gave Paul the Apostle the authority to determine who will and who will not inherit the kingdom of heaven? And, why do so many Christians EQUATE Paul to God? Is it because the collators of the New Testament Canon saw fit to include Paul's epistles? Were the Bible collators ALSO 'divinely inspired'?



What is written is--men who lie with men( woman) with woman are included as well) and it mentions drunkenness--I say drug addiction comes under that term as well. In fact at Galations 5:9-11-- also mentions spiritism--and it as well says--will not enter Gods kingdom--the greek word for spiritism = Farmacia.
Leviticus condemns homosexuality as well.
Don't you believe that God can make sure his written word is preserved how he wants it?
Remember Sodom and gommorah?
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Old 05-08-2016, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Don't you believe that God can make sure his written word is preserved how he wants it?
Well, if He can preserve His written word, why couldn't He have preserved His Church along with it? You believe (and I agree with you on this), that the Church Jesus Christ established fell into apostasy. You seem to believe that God allowed that to happen. What makes you so sure that He didn't also allow His written word to be corrupted? I mean, you've got to strive for a certain degree of consistency here. Otherwise, you come across as having no credibility whatsoever.
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Old 05-08-2016, 03:03 PM
 
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1Corinthians 6:9-11-- Fornicators( sex out of marriage) adulterers, men kept for unnatural purposes, homosexuals--will NOT enter Gods kingdom. It cant be any plainer.
its coded in the DNA, your god showed us that he does not judge them the same way you do. It can't be any plainer. We can't understand his love, two guys kissing proves that.

Watch drew berry's stuff on cells. in the face of that your god is small.
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Old 05-08-2016, 03:09 PM
 
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The JW's have hounded me through 5 states now, ringing my doorbell and beating on my door endlessly, stalking me from laudromat to home to work and harassing me to no end. I could give a flip less what they believe about anything, I just want them to finally leave me alone. I bought a doormat that says "GO AWAY", but they ignore that, and ring and knock anyway. So I put up a sign telling them we are all stocked up on BS here, sell it somewhere else or I will lawyer up and sue your church into the very fires of hell for harassment and trespass. Since putting up that sign they have left me alone, knock wood...

I could care less what those pests think of LGBT, or anything else. I just want them to leave me alone.
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Old 05-08-2016, 04:40 PM
 
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Dude!?...Really?...JW's do not believe in Hell...So, where did you get this from?...
Where from ?_______ To start try Acts 2:27

The day Jesus' died Jesus went to the Bible's hell.
If biblical hell was a permanent place Jesus would still be in hell.
Jesus taught sleep in death - John 11:11-14
Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach: sleep in death
- Psalms 6:5; 13:3; 115:17; 146:4; Daniel 12:2,13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
So, the Bible's hell is simply mankind's stone-cold temporary grave until the dead are resurrected out of biblical hell ( grave)
KJV translated the word Gehenna as hellfire.
Gehenna was a garbage pit where things were destroyed and Not kept burning forever.
So, ' Gehenna " is a fitting term for: everlasting destruction. - 2nd Thess. 1:9
The wicked are to be destroyed forever according to Psalm 92:7
So, the eternal punishment for the wicked is being destroyed forever.
Biblical hell ( grave) comes to a final end during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
Emptied-out hell/grave comes to a final end according to Revelation 20:13-14.
After everyone in biblical hell are ' delivered up ', then emptied-out hell is cast vacant into a symbolic ' second death ' for vacated biblical hell.
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Old 05-08-2016, 04:49 PM
 
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its coded in the DNA, your god showed us that he does not judge them the same way you do. It can't be any plainer. We can't understand his love, two guys kissing proves that.
Watch drew berry's stuff on cells. in the face of that your god is small.
The judgement is Not homosexuality in itself, but the practice of fornication -see Hebrews 13:4
Every single person is to abstain from fornication ( from the word porneia in the Greek )
In Scripture, God only recognizes scriptural marriage as being between man and woman - Gen. 2:24; Matt.19:5-6
We are nearing the millennial time when Jesus will usher in Peace on Earth, then Jesus will undo all human imperfections and there will be healing for earth's nations - Revelation 22:2

In the meantime, we are to adjust oneself to God's moral standards by abstaining from fornication ( porneia )
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Old 05-08-2016, 04:54 PM
 
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Well, if He can preserve His written word, why couldn't He have preserved His Church along with it? You believe (and I agree with you on this), that the Church Jesus Christ established fell into apostasy. You seem to believe that God allowed that to happen. What makes you so sure that He didn't also allow His written word to be corrupted? I mean, you've got to strive for a certain degree of consistency here. Otherwise, you come across as having no credibility whatsoever.
Do you remember the illustration about the genuine ' wheat ' growing along with the fake ' weed/tares ' Christians ?_____
Wasn't Jesus also forewarning us that MANY would falsely come ' in his name - Matthew 7:21-23

Gospel writer Luke also forewarned about a great apostasy that would happen - Acts 20:29-30
So, it is Not the Bible which is corrupted, but the fake ' weed/tares ' who are corrupted.
Their wrong teachings do Not make the Bible as wrong, it just makes their wrong teachings as wrong.
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Old 05-08-2016, 04:57 PM
 
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Again, Paul cannot be trusted.
"If you continue in my word you are truly my disciple"
Paul did nothing of the sort. His word does not supercede the word of the son of man.
Didn't Jesus' word teach that fornication ( poeneia ) is wrong ? ______- Matthew 19:5--9; 5:32
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