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You said we are already free. That's not true. We must first believe Jesus, which is what is said in John 3 and Luke 7.
Yes we are free already and the reason we do not see it is because we do not believe it,we would rather believe in the idol of Jesus we have created. What Jesus went around doing was lifting the veil of ignorance that is over our minds placed there by our false beliefs and conceptions about God, which is why we have in the bible inconsistent descriptions of God by men.
You said we are already free. That's not true. We must first believe Jesus, which is what is said in John 3 and Luke 7.
Well, Jesus did not say anything about the evangelical message, you know the sinners prayer where you have to be sorry about your sins, repent and believe that he died on the cross for us, your evangelical Father's packaged that to us and used the threat of eternal hell to cause folk to buy into it. What Jesus did go around doing was causing folk to see God and who they really are, which in turn brought about great peace and joy to those who saw God.
Yes we are free already and the reason we do not see it is because we do not believe it,we would rather believe in the idol of Jesus we have created. What Jesus went around doing was lifting the veil of ignorance that is over our minds placed there by our false beliefs and conceptions about God, which is why we have in the bible inconsistent descriptions of God by men.
Where do you get that from, that we are free already?
Well, Jesus did not say anything about the evangelical message, you know the sinners prayer where you have to be sorry about your sins, repent and believe that he died on the cross for us, your evangelical Father's packaged that to us and used the threat of eternal hell to cause folk to buy into it. What Jesus did go around doing was causing folk to see God and who they really are, which in turn brought about great peace and joy to those who saw God.
Matt. 4
17 From then on Jesus began to preach, “Repent of your sins and turn to God, for the Kingdom of Heaven is near.”
Well, Jesus did not say anything about the evangelical message, you know the sinners prayer where you have to be sorry about your sins, repent and believe that he died on the cross for us, your evangelical Father's packaged that to us and used the threat of eternal hell to cause folk to buy into it. What Jesus did go around doing was causing folk to see God and who they really are, which in turn brought about great peace and joy to those who saw God.
Probably because He didn't have to, John's baptism which He not only endorsed but said it was necessary to fulfill ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS, was for repentance from sins. He also said another baptism of HIS would be necessary and that necessitated the "container" in which the "wine" was held in, to be smitten.
Seeing HIM therefore, was the Father allowing some to see the "wine" while it was still in the "container", which is why He said if you've seen ME (the wine/Spirit seed son), you've seen the Father. He that ascended is also He who first descended.
You can look at all the outward works that He did in the flesh, and even try to emulate some of them, and still not see HIM, FOR HE IS SPIRIT, and as Paul said, hereafter we'll not know Him after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Peace
Matt. 26:28 This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins.
I didn't misquote-I used the NLT. No difference in the meaning. You were wrong. Jesus did say repent.
No Jimmie, you found an incorrect translation to support your false belief. I did not say that Jesus did not say repent, which does not mean what you evangelicals say it means anyway,and that is why you used the incorrect translation because that you think that incorrect translation supports your false beliefs about repentance best, which is repentance is turning from sin so that you can turn to God, when in fact repentance means turn to God and missing the mark will no longer be an issue to you.
Probably because He didn't have to, John's baptism which He not only endorsed but said it was necessary to fulfill ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS, was for repentance from sins. He also said another baptism of HIS would be necessary and that necessitated the "container" in which the "wine" was held in, to be smitten.
Seeing HIM therefore, was the Father allowing some to see the "wine" while it was still in the "container", which is why He said if you've seen ME (the wine/Spirit seed son), you've seen the Father. He that ascended is also He who first descended.
You can look at all the outward works that He did in the flesh, and even try to emulate some of them, and still not see HIM, FOR HE IS SPIRIT, and as Paul said, hereafter we'll not know Him after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Peace
How on earth can you understand this about Jesus and retain the OT ignorance about God????? It is clear you do NOT understand what the Holy Spirit IS. God IS Spirit. God IS agape love. God IS Holy. Guess what??? The Holy Spirit IS agape love. It is NOT rocket science and no symbolic and irrational bible code nonsense needed.
How on earth can you understand this about Jesus and retain the OT ignorance about God????? It is clear you do NOT understand what the Holy Spirit IS. God IS Spirit. God IS agape love. God IS Holy. Guess what??? The Holy Spirit IS agape love. It is NOT rocket science and no symbolic and irrational bible code nonsense needed.
I think it's hysterical you keep calling it bible code. Maybe it would do you good to check out the real bible code. I'll see if I can help you out with that, later today. Peace
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