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Why can't God intervene in social/economic affairs other than seeming like he wants to do it to punish us? Why?
I am extremely upset personally, because I live in a rust-belt area and all the good jobs are gone and people my age have vanished from the area. I just wish God could've had a different will. I hate the free will argument more now. Maybe I used to buy into that when I was young, but not now.
I am disabled, and I am having a hard time finding my first job in my life. Why is God not only punishing individuals economically, but entire counties, states, countries? I'm on the verge of crying, I almost hate God.
Mainly because God is a human-made illusion.
Mainly.
Somehow, people miss the whole picture.
Why create an ant farm to watch...but, make all the ants robots where you have the controls?
I suppose if you are child with your toy GI Joes...
but how long did it take you to move on from those!?
This Cosmic Dance/Play is Epic...It's for the long haul, guys.
Well, I did not say that. I'm sorry if you took it that way, and I'll try to be more clear.
The only brief point I'm trying to make here is that I get tired of the old sawhorse that God must not exist because the world isn't perfect. We are responsible for our sins, it isn't God's "fault" that we sin -- it is our fault. He loves us and does so much for his children, but we do not merit the loving favor he shows us.
We can't blame God for our own failings and it isn't our right or reasonable expectation that God should fix everything for us. We can and should pray but in all things we should lean not on our own understanding and ask for His will to be done, because He knows what we need better than we do, and only He knows the grand plan that He has.
What about those who are victims of the sin of others? Why didn't the Judeo-Christian God prevent the Holocaust? Did the Jews deserve the Holocaust because they rejected Jesus?
Even secular authorities will intervene to prevent criminal activities, if possible. The police don't use the "well, because of sin, we're no going to intervene" excuse when they fail to show up after a 9-11 call.
What about those who are victims of the sin of others? Why didn't the Judeo-Christian God prevent the Holocaust?
Even secular authorities will intervene to prevent criminal activities, if possible. The police don't use the "well, because of sin, we're no going to intervene" excuse when they fail to show up after a 9-11 call.
This seems like it's going down a familiar path for you; do you not believe in God? Or are you saying you just don't understand why He lets bad things happen?
Personally speaking, when men do bad things, I blame men, not God.
To complain about God allowing the terrible events of history to transpire, I feel, is missing the point. Many are so focused on the idea of human fairness and what humans do to each other. God wants us to look beyond this human plane.
All humans fall short of righteousness and deserve punishment and yet, despite that, Jesus came and made His atoning sacrifice and free gift of Grace to offer eternal security to those who will accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. How can we complain about fairness when Jesus has offered the greatest free gift anyone could ever imagine, eternally, to all who would accept Him?
I do hope I've made my point clear. I'll bid you good day as I have to get off the computer at this point in time.
This seems like it's going down a familiar path for you; do you not believe in God? Or are you saying you just don't understand why He lets bad things happen?
Personally speaking, when men do bad things, I blame men, not God.
To complain about God allowing the terrible events of history to transpire, I feel, is missing the point. Many are so focused on the idea of human fairness and what humans do to each other. God wants us to look beyond this human plane.
All humans fall short of righteousness and deserve punishment and yet, despite that, Jesus came and made His atoning sacrifice and free gift of Grace to offer eternal security to those who will accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. How can we complain about fairness when Jesus has offered the greatest free gift anyone could ever imagine, eternally, to all who would accept Him?
I do hope I've made my point clear. I'll bid you good day as I have to get off the computer at this point in time.
How convenient.
Your logic essentially boils down to this:
No matter what happens, it always counts as "evidence" of the hand of God at work.
No matter what happens, it always counts as "evidence" of the hand of God at work.
Freak, I don't think most people who are convinced that God exists are looking for evidence of God. They are operating from the assumption that God is, and that God is "at work" in some way. So, yeah, if you believe that, then you're going to "praise God" (ie. be grateful) in ALL circumstances. Gratitude is a healthy attitude to cultivate. And it tends to allow people to find positives within any given situation they are facing. Whether you agree with them or not, can you see that there is a plus side to that?
Freak, I don't think most people who are convinced that God exists are looking for evidence of God. They are operating from the assumption that God is, and that God is "at work" in some way. So, yeah, if you believe that, then you're going to "praise God" (ie. be grateful) in ALL circumstances. Gratitude is a healthy attitude to cultivate. And it tends to allow people to find positives within any given situation they are facing. Whether you agree with them or not, can you see that there is a plus side to that?
Why can't God intervene in social/economic affairs other than seeming like he wants to do it to punish us? Why?
I am extremely upset personally, because I live in a rust-belt area and all the good jobs are gone and people my age have vanished from the area. I just wish God could've had a different will. I hate the free will argument more now. Maybe I used to buy into that when I was young, but not now.
I am disabled, and I am having a hard time finding my first job in my life. Why is God not only punishing individuals economically, but entire counties, states, countries? I'm on the verge of crying, I almost hate God.
First of all, may our Heavenly Father bless your efforts.
Jesus taught us to seek first God's kingdom government - Matthew 6:33 - and pray for God's spirit - Luke 11:13 B
By doing so God will help us to obtain life's necessities in these last days of badness on Earth - 2nd Timothy 3:1-5,13
God can and will intervene. That is what Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth is about.
For now, Satan challenges ALL of us according to Job 2:4-5
Touch our ' flesh ' ( loose physical health ) and we would Not serve God.
Both Job and Jesus, under adverse conditions, proved Satan a liar and so can we.
What about those who are victims of the sin of others? Why didn't the Judeo-Christian God prevent the Holocaust? Did the Jews deserve the Holocaust because they rejected Jesus?
Even secular authorities will intervene to prevent criminal activities, if possible. The police don't use the "well, because of sin, we're no going to intervene" excuse when they fail to show up after a 9-11 call.
How true the words of Ecclesiastes 8:9 that it is 'man' who dominates man to man's hurt or injury.
It is man ignoring God's Golden Rule. So, it is man who is responsible, and Not God.
If everyone on Earth lived by the Golden Rule how much hate would there be in the world.
We all have the free-will choices to act responsibly toward God or God's Golden Rule.
If God would intervene before the start of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins, then we today would Not have had the opportunity to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us.
We are all invited to pray the invitation for Jesus to 'come' - Revelation 22:20
'come ' and undo all the damage Satan and Adam have brought upon us.
That is why Jesus wants us to pray for God's kingdom government to come ( thy kingdom come )
We don't pray to be ' taken away ' to the kingdom, nor pray to be ' taken up ' to the kingdom.
Pray for the kingdom to come so humble meek people will inherit the Earth as Jesus' promised at Matthew 5:5
Freak, I don't think most people who are convinced that God exists are looking for evidence of God. They are operating from the assumption that God is, and that God is "at work" in some way. So, yeah, if you believe that, then you're going to "praise God" (ie. be grateful) in ALL circumstances. Gratitude is a healthy attitude to cultivate. And it tends to allow people to find positives within any given situation they are facing. Whether you agree with them or not, can you see that there is a plus side to that?
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