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Because God is love? It is not out of hate but honesty that I told you Truth. You cannot change your dna. That is a scientific fact. Is your clipping junk science? Possible.
But it is Time for you to put your faith in Jesus and repent first. THEN do your study on gender if that what interests you.
When the plane is going down you put on the parachute. This what you must do FIRST. Save your life! Worry about the secondary issues later. ‘You do not know what will happen tomorrow. ‘ James 4:13
You mean openly hostility and insulting like those who've said I can't be Christian and transgender? Insulting like saying my family did the right thing by disowning me? Insulting and hostile by accusing me of mutilating myself? Of being mentally unstable? All of these things have been said to me here, in this very forum. All of them, and more. Said by people commanded to love me. I have my character attacked continuously here. That isn't loving.
I John 4:20
And you wonder why some of us might be a bit abrasive. Really?[/QUOTE
The God we serve is not the God of deceit but love and He understands the pain.
Your gender is not based upon feelings. Unless under extreme conditions of abnormality your sex is determined at birth. That is a scientific fact. It doesn’t matter how much slicing and dicing a surgeon does or how much chemicals are injected your sex cannot be changed.
The Lord may not take away all issues. We are burdened because of thi fallen world. But every is welcome in His Church, Jesus our Lord, our God.
What about human hermaphrodites? People born with BOTH sexual organs. In addition there are approximately 65,000 species for which that attribute is "normal."
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Intersex describes a wide variety of combinations of what are considered male and female biology. Intersex biology may include, for example, ambiguous-looking external genitalia, karyotypes that include mixed XX and XY chromosome pairs (46XX/46XY, 46XX/47XXY or 45X/XY mosaic).
Clinically, medicine currently describes intersex people as having disorders of sex development, a term vigorously contested. This is particularly because of a relationship between medical terminology and medical intervention. Intersex civil society organizations, and many human rights institutions, have criticized medical interventions designed to make intersex bodies more typically male or female.
Some people who are intersex, such as some of those with androgen insensitivity syndrome, outwardly appear completely female or male, frequently without realizing they are intersex.
Currently roughly 4% to 5% of our population is gay. That's twice as much as those who are born red-headed--and you don't call redheads "unnatural" do you? And it's been that way forever, despite both religious and non-religious people trying to kill them off. Apparently God insists on making some gay. They can't be killed off---and there are difference in the brain structure of both gay men and lesbian women.
In addition, God decided just about all nature should have a certain percentage of numerous species which are same sex attracted. They include horses, bonobo monkeys, fruit flies, penguins, lions, killer whales, to name a few. The Norwegian Natural History Museum had a display in 2006 on gay animals. Over 1500 species. It is most common in herding animals.
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"One fundamental premise in social debates has been that homosexuality is unnatural. This premise is wrong. Homosexuality is both common and highly essential in the lives of a number of species," explains Petter Boeckman, who is the academic advisor for the "Against Nature's Order?" exhibition.
The most well-known homosexual animal is the dwarf chimpanzee, one of humanity's closes relatives. The entire species is bisexual. Sex plays an conspicuous role in all their activities and takes the focus away from violence, which is the most typical method of solving conflicts among primates and many other animals.
It aggravates me to no end when people without any study of the world around them draw conclusions about what God likes or doesn't like when it comes to sex. There was a fellow on the religion thread whose handle was GoldenRule. He was a pornographer. He said he loved church going people because they were some of his best customers.
Why did Jesus come from a line that includes prostitutes? Why did God let Abraham marry his own half sister when Leviticus says it is a shame to lie with one's sister? Why did God allow Jacob to marry two sisters when His "law" declares it wrong? When Amnon, King David's eldest son raped his half sister, did she cry "Foul?" No, here is what she said to her half-brother--"Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee." (2 Sam. 13:13) Wouldn't have been rape then and perhaps God would have found that situation okay.
SEX is the biggest hang-up for fundamentalists. Many tried to defend Josh Duggar of “19 Kids and Counting" (a fundamentalist "family" show) after it came to light that he had molested several of his sisters while a teenager. They began to bail after it came to light that he also had an affair while married.
You have absolutely no right to question any sexual decision of other people until you get it right for yourself. Geekigurl knows her Bible so much better than you---and probably me as well---you could learn a few things from her--and she has suffered from persecution as she struggled to discover who she is.
Right now my own fundamentalist sister is saying her 8 year old grandson is "gender" confused because he is attracted to girl's clothing. I also noted that he had let his hair grow longer and his mother told me he wanted to be able to toss his head back so his hair would fly out of his eyes. I'd bet my eyeteeth that my fundamentalist family has been blessed with a gay boy to challenge their sickening, disgusting "bible" view about sex. I just pray for the boy's sake they will be some of the few fundamentalists that turn from this wicked thinking and love that child.
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Rob and Linda Robertson did what they believed was expected of them as good Christians.
When their 12-year-old son Ryan said he was gay, they told him they loved him, but he had to change.
He entered "reparative therapy," met regularly with his pastor and immersed himself in Bible study and his church youth group. After six years, nothing had changed. A despondent Ryan cut himself off from his parents and his faith, started taking drugs and in 2009, died of an overdose.
"Now we realize we were so wrongly taught," said Rob Robertson, a firefighter for more than 30 years who lives in Redmond, Washington. "It's a horrible, horrible mistake the church has made."
The falseness of your statements has literally contributed to the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of gay youth caught between the church and how God created them.
Perhaps God will grant you a gay or transgender child or grandchild in order to discover just how much love you really have for your own family.
It's time for you to put your faith in Jesus and repent these sinful thoughts of yours.
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What about human hermaphrodites? People born with BOTH sexual organs. In addition there are approximately 65,000 species for which that attribute is "normal." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite
Did God screw up?
Currently roughly 4% to 5% of our population is gay. That's twice as much as those who are born red-headed--and you don't call redheads "unnatural" do you? And it's been that way forever, despite both religious and non-religious people trying to kill them off. Apparently God insists on making some gay. They can't be killed off---and there are difference in the brain structure of both gay men and lesbian women.
In addition, God decided just about all nature should have a certain percentage of numerous species which are same sex attracted. They include horses, bonobo monkeys, fruit flies, penguins, lions, killer whales, to name a few. The Norwegian Natural History Museum had a display in 2006 on gay animals. Over 1500 species. It is most common in herding animals.
It aggravates me to no end when people without any study of the world around them draw conclusions about what God likes or doesn't like when it comes to sex. There was a fellow on the religion thread whose handle was GoldenRule. He was a pornographer. He said he loved church going people because they were some of his best customers.
Why did Jesus come from a line that includes prostitutes? Why did God let Abraham marry his own half sister when Leviticus says it is a shame to lie with one's sister? Why did God allow Jacob to marry two sisters when His "law" declares it wrong? When Amnon, King David's eldest son raped his half sister, did she cry "Foul?" No, here is what she said to her half-brother--"Now therefore, I pray thee, speak unto the king; for he will not withhold me from thee." (2 Sam. 13:13) Wouldn't have been rape then and perhaps God would have found that situation okay.
SEX is the biggest hang-up for fundamentalists. Many tried to defend Josh Duggar of “19 Kids and Counting" (a fundamentalist "family" show) after it came to light that he had molested several of his sisters while a teenager. They began to bail after it came to light that he also had an affair while married.
You have absolutely no right to question any sexual decision of other people until you get it right for yourself. Geekigurl knows her Bible so much better than you---and probably me as well---you could learn a few things from her--and she has suffered from persecution as she struggled to discover who she is.
Right now my own fundamentalist sister is saying her 8 year old grandson is "gender" confused because he is attracted to girl's clothing. I also noted that he had let his hair grow longer and his mother told me he wanted to be able to toss his head back so his hair would fly out of his eyes. I'd bet my eyeteeth that my fundamentalist family has been blessed with a gay boy to challenge their sickening, disgusting "bible" view about sex. I just pray for the boy's sake they will be some of the few fundamentalists that turn from this wicked thinking and love that child.
The falseness of your statements has literally contributed to the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of gay youth caught between the church and how God created them.
Perhaps God will grant you a gay or transgender child or grandchild in order to discover just how much love you really have for your own family.
It's time for you to put your faith in Jesus and repent these sinful thoughts of yours.
Because God is love? It is not out of hate but honesty that I told you Truth. You cannot change your dna. That is a scientific fact. Is your clipping junk science? Possible.
But it is Time for you to put your faith in Jesus and repent first. THEN do your study on gender if that what interests you.
When the plane is going down you put on the parachute. This what you must do FIRST. Save your life! Worry about the secondary issues later. ‘You do not know what will happen tomorrow. ‘ James 4:13
As far as being trans goes, I have nothing to repent of. The relationship between Christ and I is just that...between Christ and I.
Perhaps God will grant you a gay or transgender child or grandchild in order to discover just how much love you really have for your own family.
It's time for you to put your faith in Jesus and repent these sinful thoughts of yours.
I am exceedingly grateful that God brought me out of bondage to a fundamentalist view of the Bible some time ago now, so that my dear child isn’t having to deal with the reaction I once would have had.
As far as being trans goes, I have nothing to repent of. The relationship between Christ and I is just that...between Christ and I.
There is nothing wrong with who you are, Geekgurl. You are a loving, beautiful child of God, his forever beloved child. Just because some people do not believe this has no bearing on God's calling for you, his work in and through you. I know you already know this, but I just wanted to put it down here as a marker.
I think if we swapped our shoes, I'd have a lot to say about people saying things like that to you. I'd say that if you say you love Christ, then I believe you without reservation. I'd say that you are loved and cherished, not only by God, but other Christians. I'd say how sorry I was that people said such things to you. I'd say that it angers and grieves me that people who are supposed to be guided by love as their guiding principle can be so cruel to you.
It's sad that your only comment, amounts to little more than "no comment."
I am sorry if people on this board (or anywhere) said such things to you, but without having seen such comments myself, I don't know what or who you are referring to. You say it happen continuously, but I have never seen it. In the other hand, you must have seen all the nazi posts around here and people attacking Christians and claiming they are not Christians. You must have seen those, and yet no comment. Its ok though, I don't judge you, or anyone for not taking sides in every post. The mods maybe, but not other posters. I know a poster was infracted for merely quoting the nazi posts, while the person who actually said them is still around. Go figure.
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God's covenant relationship with people began with Abraham and has never stopped--never. You are now making things up to hang on to your legalism and contractual view of the Bible.
No, you are doing that. God's contract with Moses was not the same I have with Christ. I do not know, or care what you are trying to prove, but sure seems to be the same old "I have a relationship with God, and you don't". Why do you feel compelled to pound your chest and say such things? Insecure?
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