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Old 02-27-2018, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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The latter state of organized Christianity - Message by Martin Zender

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Old 02-27-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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Because who doesn't want to watch a 23 minute video that is likely misrepresenting their point of view?
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Old 02-27-2018, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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Because who doesn't want to watch a 23 minute video that is likely misrepresenting their point of view?
I don't know who will and will not want to watch it. No one is required here to read any thread or watch any video. I posted this because it has been on my mind a lot.
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Old 02-27-2018, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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Personally, I'm not interested in hearing anyone else's view on organized Christianity. There may be some same criticisms that I hold, but this is an area of strong personal view and subjectivity. We're all different and unique, have different genetics, different backgrounds, interests, and taste. The idea that one person can speak for all, or even many, is sort of megalomaniacal. We should be suspicious of these types. Anyone thinking they are enlightened and informed has already missed the boat. We are all more ignorant and uniformed on these matters than we will admit to. It's human nature to believe ourselves so smart, so wise, so advanced. Once we see that, it should be a red flag.

Starting with how much we don't know, and having an 'innocence' of sorts, is the starting point to enlightenment, wisdom, and potential growth. Even Jesus kept running into people who were full of themselves and misplaced ideas. He had to slow them down, open their eyes, and get them to consider all the stuff they held onto that was of grounded worldly nature.

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Old 02-27-2018, 02:56 PM
 
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Just the first statement , and man show he demeans Christians and blasphemes God , and there for just a false prophet , not worth any time to listen to the video
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Old 02-27-2018, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Panama City, FL
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Just the first statement , and man show he demeans Christians and blasphemes God , and there for just a false prophet , not worth any time to listen to the video
His message is not for most. He is a Universalist believer in Christ, however, he knows the reason why there are thousands of denominations in Christianity and why this is a bed of confusion and chaos. I mainly posted this for those who would benefit from hearing it. To those who will not benefit from it, just ignore it and forget it. But do know, he is not condemning people personally, but a religious system built on lies.
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Old 02-27-2018, 05:11 PM
 
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I have seen some of his videos, not this one yet, and found his message to be loving and refreshing from a strong Bible-based point of view.
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Old 02-27-2018, 05:18 PM
 
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I have seen some of his videos, not this one yet, and found his message to be loving and refreshing from a strong Bible-based point of view.
He reads from the bible in all his videos. He has a message that he believes he is called to share. But he realizes his message is not for a large audience. He understands God's plan and that God is sovereign and chooses who will work with Christ in the Celestial realm to reconcile all things back to God. No one can choose this honor for himself (even Paul acknowledged that). Remember how Paul accepted the fact that he was not sure if he was of those chosen for that very special calling. Yet Paul still understood that God was merciful and that eventually all would come through Christ at the appointed time which obviously may be a few eons away from now for some who are living and breathing even today. I do not know if I am among his chosen vessels to such an honor, but that does not send terror into my heart, because it is God's choice and I trust him and I know God is worthy to choose as he will. All his works are glorious.
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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I got to where he said that most Christians are worshiping demons, and decided I'd heard enough. I think that a lot of mainstream Christian doctrine is flawed, but to me it's a big turn-off to hear someone talking like that. I believe that most Christians are worshiping God as well as they know how -- including me and you.
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:29 PM
 
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I checked some of it, but there's too much waywardness and motion in his speech, with body language that shows something amiss. Not to mention quite a lack of eye-contact. This guy's no prophet. It's also utterly shameful to call Jesus an "ugly Jew". And that's from only a short analysis.

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