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Old 05-23-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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Don't forget Jesus gave the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter giving him and his successors the authority to make/change the rules going forward. (Matthew 16:13-19)
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Old 05-23-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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Don't forget Jesus gave the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven to Peter giving him and his successors the authority to make/change the rules going forward. (Matthew 16:13-19)
No He gives the keys to the kingdom to those who believe in Him and do the works of God as He did.

Peter never did.
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Old 05-23-2018, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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free4you, read what Pcamps said, he wasn’t saying he didn’t believe the NT he was saying that the NT translations have bias which I agree with, also there are allegorical/parabolic things that are not understood by literal reading.
Then how do you know what Jesus taught and did?
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Old 05-23-2018, 06:45 PM
 
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No He gives the keys to the kingdom to those who believe in Him and do the works of God as He did.

Peter never did.
Well, you can believe what you want to believe but know that your comment is heretical and unbiblical.
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Old 05-23-2018, 07:50 PM
 
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Well, you can believe what you want to believe but know that your comment is heretical and unbiblical.
Only to those who misunderstand the meaning.
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Old 05-24-2018, 01:50 AM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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No He gives the keys to the kingdom to those who believe in Him and do the works of God as He did.

Peter never did.
Peter's life was the only prime example to show how a person moves from level to level. Most people do not know this because most people don't know ancient Jewish thought and writings.


Even the Koran helps show Peter's life and graduation from one tribe to the next as he moved up a ladder.


Revelation doesn't just start speaking of merchant sailors selling their wares in a boat upon the seas for no reason. It is mentioned because of ancient Jewish thought that has much to do with Peter and his moving through Issachar and Zebulun.


Peter's entire life was planned out along with the two sons of thunder, and they made 3.
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Old 05-28-2018, 01:51 PM
 
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No, the law pointed to Jesus. When he died faithful he fulfilled it. Now a new Law exists the Law of Christ. The OT does help understand the NT and the NT helps understand the OT. We need both and must also understand the prophesied change from the old Law Covenant to a New one with people of all nations.
There is no new Law. The old Law stands forever. God NEVER revokes or deletes or abolishes His word.

"I am the LORD, and I do not change." - Malachi 3:6

But something is definitely different between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. - Jesus as quoted by Matthew 5:17

If the Law is not abolished, then what is the fulfillment Jesus talked about? For the answer we must look to the Torah (the first 5 books of the Bible).

Why did Moses climb Mt. Sinai and what did he receive from God when he got there?
Answer: God gave Moses the ten commandments, the Law.

But Moses had to travel to the top of Mt. Sinai a second time. Why?
Did God delete the first set of 10 commandments? HE did not.
What was different between the first and second issuance of the Law?

The Law did not change from Moses' first climb to his second ascent, but God added something the second time. What was added?

This addition to the Law is the key to the mystery of the gospel and the hope of all humanity. He is called Immanuel, God with us. The difference between Moses' first and second visit to Sinai is the addition of God's promise to personally be with Israel. This passage stands as an object lesson that fore-shadows the coming of Christ.

The Law requires death as a penalty for sin. Jesus paid that penalty with His life - fulfilling the requirement of the Law. The requirement of the Law is paid, but the Law remains. The Law isn't abolished simply because its penalty is paid. May it never be.

Those who've accepted Christ are said to be justified before God because Jesus fulfilled the penalty of death the Law makes upon us. Jesus didn't die on the cross so we could continue to live like hell.

"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries." - Hebrews 10:26-27

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENSE TO SIN.

Consider the pattern of the Wilderness Tabernacle and the Temple that followed it.

When the children of Israel entered the temple the first thing they encountered was the altar. The Law required them to place a sacrifice for their sin upon the alter where it was consumed by fire.

Proceeding west the next thing encountered was the lav or basin of water where the Law required them to wash.

After the lav the construction of the Holy Place lay before them. A priest would enter the Holy Place and continue the requirement of the Law for them. Within the Holy Place was a further division. A veil or curtain divided the Holy Place into two sections - the inner section being called the Holy of Holies. Within the Holy of Holies the Ark of the Covenant was housed and within the Ark was the tablets of stone upon which were written the 10 commandments.

After giving sacrifice for sin and after washing and after passing into the Holy of Holies, the justified and cleansed believer is led back to the Law once again.

Therefore we see that the Law isn't abolished, its requirements are accomplished or fulfilled.

We are saved and cleansed by grace so that we may live according to the Law - thus pleasing God and keeping His commandments - in fulfillment of the Law.

As Jesus lived and died in fulfillment of the Law, so are we also commanded to follow Jesus' example and live in fulfillment of the same Law.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

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Old 05-29-2018, 10:07 AM
 
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If you read the gospels you can see Jesus improved and expanded the existing scripture. Its all in the Gospels.
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