If Salvation is a free gift in which once chooses, why cant losing Salvation also be something one chooses to freely do? (hell, church)
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If you think about it, if is a free gift from God in which if one confesses with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is Lord, and they turn from their sins, they will be saved, according to Romans 10:9-11, why cant them loosing Salvation also be an option if they choose to openly denounce their faith and God and they no longer feel the need to follow God and die unrepentant in their sins.
Think how many atheists, even on City-Data, states how they used to be devout Christians, until they opened their eyes and either saw the bible as nonsense or the idea of a God itself to be false as well with all that goes on in the world and they denounce their faith and do as they please and many die in that state. Would we say, that atheist is going to Heaven because they spouted a few words when they were 13yrs old in church, despite his future free will choice as an adult to walk away from God.
Would we say, that atheist is going to Heaven because they spouted a few words when they were 13yrs old in church, despite his future free will choice as an adult to walk away from God.
You can spout as many words as you want, and live your life as religiously as you want, but if you were never born again, then you are not losing your salvation by turning away, because you were never saved in the first place.
"They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us."
Maybe it is possible to lose one's salvation. Maybe we don't know everything and aren't God.
Are we worrying about others unnecessarily? If it doesn't apply to us personally, maybe we shouldn't be petty and meddling. Maybe some want to lose their salvation. Let 'em go for it; they have that freedom. What's the big deal?
If you think about it, if is a free gift from God in which if one confesses with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is Lord, and they turn from their sins, they will be saved, according to Romans 10:9-11, why cant them loosing Salvation also be an option if they choose to openly denounce their faith and God and they no longer feel the need to follow God and die unrepentant in their sins.
Think how many atheists, even on City-Data, states how they used to be devout Christians, until they opened their eyes and either saw the bible as nonsense or the idea of a God itself to be false as well with all that goes on in the world and they denounce their faith and do as they please and many die in that state. Would we say, that atheist is going to Heaven because they spouted a few words when they were 13yrs old in church, despite his future free will choice as an adult to walk away from God.
Maybe it is possible to lose one's salvation. Maybe we don't know everything and aren't God.
Are we worrying about others unnecessarily? If it doesn't apply to us personally, maybe we shouldn't be petty and meddling. Maybe some want to lose their salvation. Let 'em go for it; they have that freedom. What's the big deal?
It's really not a big deal in the big scheme of things, as Trout mentioned. Mainly because "salvation" isn't from an eternal torture chamber.
If you think about it, if is a free gift from God in which if one confesses with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is Lord, and they turn from their sins, they will be saved, according to Romans 10:9-11, why cant them loosing Salvation also be an option if they choose to openly denounce their faith and God and they no longer feel the need to follow God and die unrepentant in their sins.
Think how many atheists, even on City-Data, states how they used to be devout Christians, until they opened their eyes and either saw the bible as nonsense or the idea of a God itself to be false as well with all that goes on in the world and they denounce their faith and do as they please and many die in that state. Would we say, that atheist is going to Heaven because they spouted a few words when they were 13yrs old in church, despite his future free will choice as an adult to walk away from God.
they all will do that by excepting the mark/ownership of the beastly system.
Rev 14:11
And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
make your choices wisely folks... because God believes in FREE WILL if you do nor not!!!
there is the tiniest chances that those who chop off their right hands and poke out their right eye( things they have assigned to the beastly system of biometrics ) .. just might "be saved." or maybe more like a kind of saved.. that they just do Not go to that hell mentioned there in that verse .
but like Jesus said to the Jews about the dead on resurrection day .... they may not be full alive and have access to the tree of life either .. I certainly do not know such things!!! These things are way above my pay grade nor do I have reason to ask about it.
At some point we all must allow men to make their choices regardless of the outcome. It is not free will if I can really stop any of them from making their choices.
I can beg and plead and bleeed like so many before us have.. but we can't and don't force anyone.. it has to be a choice their heart makes or they won't stick with it anyway. and proof these children as children never made the choice in the first place.
If you think about it, if is a free gift from God in which if one confesses with their mouth and believe in their heart that Jesus is Lord, and they turn from their sins, they will be saved, according to Romans 10:9-11, why cant them loosing Salvation also be an option if they choose to openly denounce their faith and God and they no longer feel the need to follow God and die unrepentant in their sins.
Think how many atheists, even on City-Data, states how they used to be devout Christians, until they opened their eyes and either saw the bible as nonsense or the idea of a God itself to be false as well with all that goes on in the world and they denounce their faith and do as they please and many die in that state. Would we say, that atheist is going to Heaven because they spouted a few words when they were 13yrs old in church, despite his future free will choice as an adult to walk away from God.
Many people have been taught that water baptism saves them On this basis they believe they were a Christians at one time. That is false teaching. If water baptism saves, there id no need for the baptism of the Holy Spirit, by Jesus.
The "born again" allegory teaches us that just as one born physically can't be unborn, one born again can't be unborn. If they have left their faith, they are prodigals and will return one day.
If we have TRUE free will, it wouldnt matter what 'choice' we make, it would be totally up to us, there is no right or wrong choices. Thats the downside to free will (for God anyway), naturally there are going to be those that DO NOT choose him, but that doesnt make them evil or immoral, they are just exercising their free will, it would not just or right to use that and hold it against them.
If Salvation is a free gift in which once chooses, why cant losing Salvation also be something one chooses to freely do?
We have NOTHING to do with our salvation. That is ALL Jesus, period.
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If Salvation is a free gift in which once chooses, why cant losing Salvation also be something one chooses to freely do?
