Can somebody act live a Christian and not be a Christian? (Gospel, testimony)

[tonytonytony]

If your in the flesh and not the bible this sound foolish.
If your in the bible enough the Holy Spirit we make it very obvious what the answer is.


Well Christians are suppose to fellowship with Christians only.
That''s what the book say in 2 Corinthians 6:14-17.

Sure people can give away money like a sweetheart and help you start your car up while they rescue from a mugger too but GUESS WHAT?

They may not believe Romans 12:17 and been in church all they life.

Sure they may not fool around on the side at all and even stay in a marriage for 20 or 30 years but GUESS WHAT ?

They waiting on a big shot for they believe Romans 7:2-3 and
1 Timothy 5:9.

Sure they can be a theology graduate student but GUESS WHAT?

They don't believe John 3:5 to save their life ever.

Sure they may be a breadwinner for their family all the time but
GUESS WHAT ?

They waiting on a big shot on tv or the radio before they believe
Hebrews 4.

Sure they may be well liked with family and even friends in the community but GUESS WHAT?

They mock Matthew 10:22 like it's a cult movement doctrine.

Sure they can be super parents and even great tycoons today but
GUESS WHAT ?

They despise 1 Timothy 6 in the pulpit while you still going to their church all the time.

They may speak in tongues all the time but don't bet your life they believe ALL of 1 Cor. 14.

The bottom line is Christians don't just act like Christians BUT they believe ALL the bible to be a Christian.

[pcamps]

Yes if all they have is doctrine and judgement in their hearts to all who do not believe the same as them.

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by pcamps

Yes if all they have is doctrine and judgement in their hearts to all who do not believe the same as them.

Not that it's our place to decide who is and who isn't a believer . Yes i know by their fruits you shall know them scripture , but we need to apply that scripture to ourselves first , then we might just judge righteously.

[Pinoy Ako]

Originally Posted by pcamps

Yes if all they have is doctrine and judgement in their hearts to all who do not believe the same as them.

Nail it hard bro..

It is true that the if a so called christian lives in doctrines and judgment then they are living as non christian.. for they are not living in the Grace of GOD but living in their own knowledge and understanding..these people are really good in terms with the bible but living in a different manner not in the way they preach

[MysticPhD]

The only way you can BE a Christian is to try to live like Jesus in "love of God and each other." You can't CLAIM your way in . . . no matter how devoutly.

[little elmer]

The "great commission" (as we've named it) is FOLLOW ME.

We've spread more disease than good news.

[tonytonytony]

Sinners got love to give you the shirt off their back if they like you.

The problem is calling water baptism carnal legalism when the bible call it the way to be saved and enter into the kingdom of God---John 3:5.

The problem is calling the Sabbath teaching carnal legalism when the bible call it the way to enter into his rest for heaven---Hebrews 4.

Sinners got love to forgive you and not cuss at you but you can't mess with John 3:5 and Hebrews 4 with them like you can a Christian.

Our problem is calling the wearing of jewelry carnal legalism when the bible gives a commandment to take it off---1 Peter 3:3.

Sinners got love to be nonjudgmental and confident for success just don't try to mess with 1 Peter 3:3 and have a convert.

Our problem is calling it carnal legalism to discourage women from preaching and pastoring over a church or ministry when the bible simply bans women from doing this in the church---1 Timothy 2:9-14.

Sinners can live without being jealous to love you to death but they not caring about 1 Timothy 2:9-14 like a saint would.

Sinners want prayer for change and believe in having healthy bodies too.

Sinners believe in integrity just as long as their not put to the test with
Romans 12:17 to have it.

Our problem is calling the grace doctrine in Ephesians 2:8 a void on bible doctrine in Romans 6:1 today.

Like Paul behind this and not the 613 old law ordinances being void out instead today.

Works in Ephesians 2:8 come with another works doctrine in Ephesians 2:9.

Grace free cause of the atonement made paid for us but not unconditional to get it.

Otherwise another works wouldn't be taught.

One works doctrine don't void out another works doctrine in the bible in these 2 verses.

Again theologians get too witty and mess Romans 6:1 on this.

People got eternal life figure out before school graduation---John 5:39.

Every not in the bible for nothing in ---Matthew 4:4.

Every mean you got to cover every bible verse on eternal life in the book.

Every means you got to know what's for today and what's not for today.

Every mean you got to know what every bible verse really saying.

That's the every message in Matthew 4:4 today.

To miss that is to really miss eternal life as a Christian.

Search mean you don't know about eternal life to get----John 5:39.

Search mean you got to study like a student.

Search mean you don't know everything enough----1 Cor. 8:2.

Search mean you got to seek out perfection cause you haven't yet arrived as Paul would say.

Search mean you on a journey for a prize to get as Paul would say.

Seeking out a prize mean you got to put some Ephesians 2:9 work into it to get it.

Contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints is a work battle as Jude would say.

Any work battle certainly an Ephesians 2:9 work to get it this thing called faith.

Jesus being the author and finisher of our faith is an Ephesians 2:9 work to do by Jesus.

Work by our carnal human wisdom is a filthy rag work---Ephesians 2:8 and Isaiah 64:6.

Work by the wisdom of God is Ephesians 2:8 work for heaven.

Christians have to have more integrity then sinners do and many sinners have a lot of integrity.

That mean their righteousness can't be our righteousness only.

Our righteousness have to stand out from a sinners righteousness
if we testify to Matthew 5:18-20 as the living Word of God for
eternal life.

If we only humble like a sinner where the difference to know a saint?

If we only nonjudgmental like a sinner where the difference to know a saint?

If we only generous like a sinner where the difference to know a saint?

If we only peaceful like a sinner where the difference to know a saint?

If we only great employers and parents like a sinner where the difference to know a saint?

If we only tycoons and celebrities like a sinner where the difference to know a saint?

If we only married and have sex within marriage like a sinner where the difference to know a Christian?

If we only honest and caring like a sinner where the difference to know a Christian?

If we paid tithes and fast like a sinner where the difference to know a Christian?

If we witness about God like a sinner where the difference to know a Christian?

If we live without cussing and swearing like a sinner do where the difference to know a believer?

If we believe in the atonement and resurrection of Jesus like a sinner where the difference to know a believer?

If we fall out with people and forgive others like a sinner where the difference to know a believer?

Some obvious bible difference got to be found with John 3:5.
Some obvious bible difference got to be found with Hebrews 4.
Some obvious bible difference got to be found with 1 Peter 3:3.
Some obvious bible difference got to be found with Romans 7:2-3.
Some obvious bible difference got to be found with James 3:2.
Some obvious bible difference got to be found with Rev. 22:15, 18-19.
Some obvious bible difference got to be found with 1 Timothy 6.
Some obvious bible difference got to be found with 2 Peter 1:20-21.
Some obvious bible difference got to be found with John 8:24.
Some obvious bible difference got to be found with 1 Timothy 2:9-14.
Some obvious bible difference got to be found with 1 Timothy 5:9.
Some obvious bible difference got to be found with 2 Timothy 3:16.

You get the point average people don't care about this stuff in the book
cause they John 8:44 people and not John 10 people.

Average people got a resume but not with the book solely.
They going by human wisdom they think they got more then God.
The Holy Spirit talking in 1 Cor. 1:26 now.

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

The only way you can BE a Christian is to try to live like Jesus in "love of God and each other." You can't CLAIM your way in . . . no matter how devoutly.

[RobinD69]

Yes they can. It is fine living by doctrine and judging by scripture but it doesnt make someone a Christian nor does it mean they arent. You will know them by there fruit and you can usually tell if someone is doing something selflessly or selfishly.

[tonytonytony]

You don't believe John 3:5 and get water baptized like the bible say you not born again.

You get be nonjudgmental and peaceful all you want and give birthday cakes and sing in the choir if you want too.

You disagree with the bible you not a child of God---John 8:44.

You agree with the bible and obey it you are----John 10.

You don't believe Hebrews 4 and rest on the Sabbath the bible say you not going to enter into his rest in heaven.

You can be sexually moral and not fool around the side but the bible still the bible here.

You don't believe Matthew 4:4 at face value with the word EVERY the bible say eternal life not for you.

You can believe the atonement and resurrection of Christ is real all you want but the bible still the bible here.

You don't believe in repentance like the bible say in Romans 6:1 then grace is in vain for you.

You can be a super parent and wonderful spouse all you want but the bible still the bible here.

You don't believe Hebrews 6 the bible say there's no more grace to offer up for you.

You can be polite and not hate anybody if you want but the bible is still the bible.

You don't believe Matthew 5:18-20 on the wisdom of God which is the righteousness of God then the bible say you can't make heaven too.

You can be a great Shakepeare philosopher all you want.

You don't believe Revelation 22:15, 18-19 on the publishing, buying and selling of edited bible books then the bible say you can't make it in heaven.

You can be a 5 book bookworm student with 1,000 questions if you want.

You can even have the theology degree to show but the bible is still the bible here.

No talented scholar or philosopher can escape from ALL the bible book on the mind of God to be a Christian.

They got to confront Matthew 4:4 TALKING NOW if they a John 10 child of God.

Originally Posted by RobinD69

Yes they can. It is fine living by doctrine and judging by scripture but it doesnt make someone a Christian nor does it mean they arent. You will know them by there fruit and you can usually tell if someone is doing something selflessly or selfishly.

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by tonytonytony

The problem is calling water baptism carnal legalism when the bible call it the way to be saved and enter into the kingdom of God---John 3:5.

Actually, John 3:5 is not referring to water baptism.

John 3:5 "...Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God."

This is not talking about water baptism. Jesus was talking to a pharisee to whom water had three spiritual conotations. To a pharisee water could mean salvation, Isa 55:1; it could mean the water of the Word, Eph 5:26; or it could mean the water of the Holy Spirit. John 7:38-39.

Water in John 3:5 is a reference to the Gospel message. 1 Peter 1:23;
Eph 5:26; Titus 3:5.

In other words, Jesus was telling Nicodemus, that he,(and everyone else) must hear and respond to the Gospel in order to be saved.

John 3:6 says " That which is born of the flesh is flesh (physical birth), and that which is born of the Spirit (the Holy Spirit) is spirit (the human spirit)".

When a person believes in Jesus Christ for salvation, God the Holy Spirit creates a human spirit and imputes it to the body of the new believer. God the Father then imputes His very own righteousness and His eternal life to the human spirit and then pronounces us justified. As a result, we are qualified to enter into an eternal relationship with Him. This is called being born again. The theological term is regeneration.

Water baptism was never a requirement for salvation. When John the Baptist performed water baptism, and when the early Church performed water baptism, it was on people who had already been saved.

Water baptism was a ritual identification, performed as a testimony to a persons faith.

In contrast to water baptism, the baptism of the Holy Spirit is a real identification in which, at the point of salvation, God the Holy Spirit places each believer into union with Jesus Christ. Acts 1:5; 1 Corinthians 12:13;
Romans 6:3,4; Colossians 2:12; Ephesians 4:5.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit only occurrs during our present dispensation, the Church Age. By virtue of having been placed into union with Christ we share all that he is and has. That is, we share his eternal life, his perfect righteousness, his sonship, his heirship, his eternal destiny, his priesthood, his ambassitorship.

This is why we are called Christian. Because we are in Christ.