From afar Jehovah hath appeared to me, With love age-during I have loved thee, Therefore I have drawn thee with kindness (hell, believe)
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Some translations say everlasting which Fundamentalist lean towards meaning eternity
So if God has loved Israel in this way that His love is eternal towards them , does this mean when He casts them (the unbelieving Israeli) into eternal torment that this is His way off showing them that He loves them ?
Before you use your "All Israel is not Israel card" , this is what verse one of that same chapter says
At that time," declares the LORD, "I will be the God of all the clans of Israel, and they will be my people.". Jeremiah 31 verse 1
Some translations say everlasting which Fundamentalist lean towards meaning eternity
So if God has loved Israel in this way that His love is eternal towards them , does this mean when He casts them (the unbelieving Israeli) into eternal torment that this is His way off showing them that He loves them ?
Before you use your "All Israel is not Israel card" , this is what verse one of that same chapter says
At that time," declares the LORD, "I will be the God of all the clans of Israel, and they will be my people.". Jeremiah 31 verse 1
Your understanding of love is a humanistic love. God is love and God does not impose death on man or sentence man to death, God does not punitely send men to hell "for He is not willing that any should perish". God respects man's free will of choice to the extent that He allows man the continuation of his or her sinning and the consequence of that choice.
We only have ourselves to blame if we continue sinning just like Israel.
Your understanding of love is a humanistic love. God is love and God does not impose death on man or sentence man to death, God does not punitely send men to hell "for He is not willing that any should perish". God respects man's free will of choice to the extent that He allows man the continuation of his or her sinning and the consequence of that choice.
We only have ourselves to blame if we continue sinning just like Israel.
But this scripture tells us He loves us for eternity .
So if He eternally loves us , Is He still loving us while the unbeliever and universalist fry in eternal torment ?,
Some translations say everlasting which Fundamentalist lean towards meaning eternity
So if God has loved Israel in this way that His love is eternal towards them , does this mean when He casts them (the unbelieving Israeli) into eternal torment that this is His way off showing them that He loves them ?
Before you use your "All Israel is not Israel card" , this is what verse one of that same chapter says
At that time," declares the LORD, "I will be the God of all the clans of Israel, and they will be my people.". Jeremiah 31 verse 1
I prefer the last part where Israel is described as being forgiven and God remembering THEIR sins no more... Whoever this group of people refers to ... God doesn't remember their sins... I like that part.
What about the unbelieving jews who rejected Jesus and his message ?
Where did they end up when they died ?
Remember that it says He has loved them with an everlasting (eternity in the mind of a fundy) love ?
Pcamp I know you think I am a tyrant, a cold self righteous zealot who only wants myself to be saved. maybe I am but I have friends and family going to hell too which is why the other day I witnessed for the first time to my favourite cousin, he shrugged it off. I pray that God grows that seed inisde of Him.
Now to get back to your question. God does love His people but you can't overshadow His entire nature with love. God is love but His love encompasses mercy, grace, kindness, jealousy, judgment and wrath. God shows His love and mercy to the sinner by bestowing wonderful weather on him, money in his pocket, full belly and all the while blasheming His name but that God will also have to show His just side and wrath. He respects their choice enough to allow them to sin their way right to hell.
The question remains is it eternal or temporary. I see nothing to convince that it isn't temporary because if hell isn't eternal then heaven isn't either.
Some translations say everlasting which Fundamentalist lean towards meaning eternity
So if God has loved Israel in this way that His love is eternal towards them , does this mean when He casts them (the unbelieving Israeli) into eternal torment that this is His way off showing them that He loves them ?
Before you use your "All Israel is not Israel card" , this is what verse one of that same chapter says
At that time," declares the LORD, "I will be the God of all the clans of Israel, and they will be my people.". Jeremiah 31 verse 1
You should really be careful with the OT in comparing them to us.
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