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This is why I highlighted the word "industrialized". I saw the third world slum pics coming a mile away.
but those aren't 3rd world slums.
One is an exodus, one is a refugee camp, one is bonaroo, one is a food truck gathering. The industrial age didn't happen until the late 18th century. Were cities not urban before that. I know I am being a ****head but we do need to define some parameters. I'm making a point that population density is only a correlation, not a causation, and is filled with anomalies. Please drop the whole pop density walk score stuff, unless that is a specific requirement. They are only correlations that screen some place, but some will not be included in this screening, therefore they should be used with caution. I can correlate Michael Jackson's popularity in the 1980s with the rise of obesity if I wanted to, but it's not the causation. Really the word "urban" is too vague, Rome had their own meaning for it, so did 16th Century France, so did the Industrial Revolution in Europe and America...and we have to get new parameters for it now.
Really the word "urban" is too vague, Rome had their own meaning for it, so did 16th Century France, so did the Industrial Revolution in Europe and America...and we have to get new parameters for it now.
Amen.
Regarding the temporary settlements, I was going to argue that they are not permanent and so don't constitute a "town" or a "city," but I checked the definitions of town/city and there is no mention of permanence... So even the standard accepted definition of "urban" is filled with holes.
I'm making a point that population density is only a correlation, not a causation, and is filled with anomalies.
But isn't the permanent settling and interacting of people in high density in fact the causation and purpose for building urban infrastructure? Why else have we undertaken city building for the past 6,000 years?
It's pretty obvious NYC is the most urban city in the country. Why are we discussing semantics? Most of us know what urban means when used in context most of the time on these forums. It generally means how built up an area is and that generally includes density. Population and structural density generally comes along with a lot of amenities within a small space.
I agree. It's crazy to think what this same area will be in 2015. There are over 10,000 apartments/condo's going up in this 1 mile radius. I could easily see this same area with a population of 120,000 by 2020.
Yeah DC is growing like crazy in this area, there are about 6K units under construction in this range for Philly so not quite the same growth
It's pretty obvious NYC is the most urban city in the country. Why are we discussing semantics? Most of us know what urban means when used in context most of the time on these forums. It generally means how built up an area is and that generally includes density. Population and structural density generally comes along with a lot of amenities within a small space.
Los Angeles has FAR MORE job nodes than the DC area. It's not close.
Again:
DTLA
Mid-Wilshire
Century City
DT Santa Monica
Westwood Village
Hollywood
Beverly Hills
All located within a 66 sq mile area. Then you have:
Pasadena
Burbank
Glendale
Long Beach
Culver City
Irvine
Anaheim
...and on and on.
I'm sure if you count any and everything as a job node, then L.A. being so large obviously does. But what is your criteria for being a job node? Mine would be atleast 80,000 jobs in that node. Also, it should be compact, not spread out.
For instance:
2005 Data:
Downtown DC: 638,037 jobs
Pentagon/Reagan Airport/Alexandria: 141,162 jobs
Tyson's Corner: 92,603 jobs
Bethesda/Friendship Heights: 93,966 jobs
Rosslyn/Ballston: 88,279 jobs
etc.
etc.
etc.
What do the L.A. numbers look like? I have never seen anything on job nodes outside of downtown L.A. What compact urban job nodes exist near downtown L.A. in comparison. Maybe I am wrong. Let me know.
Los Angeles has FAR MORE job nodes than the DC area. It's not close.
Again:
DTLA
Mid-Wilshire
Century City
DT Santa Monica
Westwood Village
Hollywood
Beverly Hills
All located within a 66 sq mile area. Then you have:
Pasadena
Burbank
Glendale
Long Beach
Culver City
Irvine
Anaheim
...and on and on.
By the way, many of the job centers you are posting are really far from your downtown. Half of them are over 10 miles away. That is not a job node connected to the core. You don't bounce 10 miles. You travel 10 miles.
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